Hello All, New To Your Forum, Baby Bullie On The Way!
Hi Everyone!
My girl and I have been lurking around your forum for some time now.
We're trying to take in as much useful information as we can before the new arrival.
We hadn't planned on posting here until our pup crossed the threshold of our loving home but...
We have a question and thought you folks might be able to assist.
Our pup was born on June 20th, his name is Stoeger.
We'd like an opinion on what color he will develop into as he matures.
He mom is white with a black ear and his dad is dark brindle & white.
I've
read that red & white pups can look a bit brindle when young but
the dark coloring fades as the pup grows, is that true?
I've
attached a few pics of our little man. He's the lightest colored pup in the group pics....
Even if he turns purple we will
still love him to death, we're just curious what you guys might predict
his color to be.
Thanks in advance
My girl and I have been lurking around your forum for some time now.
We're trying to take in as much useful information as we can before the new arrival.
We hadn't planned on posting here until our pup crossed the threshold of our loving home but...
We have a question and thought you folks might be able to assist.
Our pup was born on June 20th, his name is Stoeger.
We'd like an opinion on what color he will develop into as he matures.
He mom is white with a black ear and his dad is dark brindle & white.
I've
read that red & white pups can look a bit brindle when young but
the dark coloring fades as the pup grows, is that true?
I've
attached a few pics of our little man. He's the lightest colored pup in the group pics....
Even if he turns purple we will
still love him to death, we're just curious what you guys might predict
his color to be.
Thanks in advance
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Comments
Your puppy is a Brindle and White. The stripes may not be as noticeable as the other Brindles in the litter but as he gets older his colors and stripes will become more defined.
Due to his date of birth he is now 4 weeks of age, eyes wide open, and should now beginning to be weened from the momma and eating some good old puppy mush. Photos of him now would be a lot more convincing of his true color. The ones provided are a little fuzzy which also makes for difficulties. Plus some camera's don't really pick up the colors as they should to begin with. Mine isn't the best camera either.
Here's a couple photos of a 3 1/2 week old Puppy from a past litter. She is a Red and White.
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We had a feeling he was a lighter brindle and white but with the info we had read it seemed possible that he might be red & white.
We appreciate your opinion and we have attached some more recent pic from just over a week ago for further discussion.
I think the weening stages are the most fun. I'm sorry but I love watching little Bull Terrier puppies eating mush. Yep they make a mess but so cute to see their belly's get big and round. It's at this time you will notice a lot of growth and development.
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Steve, we watched your "puppies chowin' down" vids a week ago and loved them!!!
Our breeder is weening him to Diamond Natural Puppy food... We plan to switch him to Victor Grain Free.
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Forgot to mention; we also plan to supplement his diet with raw food.
What's interesting is the couple I adopted him from gave me his first set of vaccine paper work at 8 weeks and they called him Spike. Lets say it was easy to get Spud to know his name in about four weeks.
It's been a hard but fun two months. I'm sure you will have fun taking care of your young one.
Stoges_mom isn't afraid of hard work but mix in fun and she will work all day, ha!!!
As usual, we were in contact with Stoeger's breeder last night. He said they were doing the AKC papers last night and weren't sure what the official AKC color would be. He said Stoge's definitely not brown brindle, maybe red brindle? But that's not a color option through AKC.
He said the pics are a bit misleading because of the lighting, camera, etc.
To quote the breeder "His color is our first and only in 12 years" of breeding. "Definitely awesome". "He is the best color scheme I have ever seen."
Like I said earlier, no matter what color he is, he will be loved by us.
I've attached the most recent pic of our baby Stoeger.
Well, hopefully the breeder won't mess up his papers
by depicting him with the wrong color. That seems to happen
more frequent than people think.I have a feeling the breeder may be a little confused because he or she isn't seeing as many tiger stripes as most brindle's would have. However, from every photo you've provided he clearly appears as a Brindle and White, AKC Code: 059
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But I know better, as I referenced it over a month prior to him being whelped.
I'm so excited and happy for you guys!! I hope you'll post lots and lots of photos!!!!!
We will definitely be sharing our little man's growth and development with you folks here on the forum.
The more and more we read through this forum, the more we realize that you guys all love your dogs and the breed at large.
P.S. Steve, upon review of this thread, I noticed that you asked where our pup is coming from. I apologize for my oversight and not answering your question sooner. We're purchasing the puppy from Paul Rogers (Backwoods Bull Terriers) in Chase, MI.
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We decided on Backwoods after hearing of his next planned breeding and much correspondence.
Unfortunately, we had third male pick of that litter and only one male was produced...
So we moved our deposit to the next planned litter. After the male pick ahead of us dropped out, we got moved up to first pick!!!
That's when little Stoge made an appearance and we fell in love.
Mr. Rogers has promptly answered all of our questions (and there have been a lot!!!) and he has sent us pics of our little one every time we've made a request.
From our interaction with him, we trust that he's honest and will provide us with a quality Bully.
We will be picking Stoeger up in person (driving all the way from Upstate NY to MI).
Here are pics of Stoeger's parents.
Dad: Banshee (Brindle)
Mom: Bella (White)
Again, I don't know much about them at all but hopefully they are health testing all their dogs and providing you with a 2 year health guarantee. I'm sure they are and it's good knowing they are communicating with you well and providing you with plenty of photos.
For as long as Backwoods has been around and the amount of litters they have produced I'm shocked to hear they were a tad confused on the color of the puppy. His color is the same as the sire Banshee. The momma (Bella) looks like a cute little Bullie too.
You've got a long trip ahead of you to pick him up but it will be so worth it. I'm sure you're as excited as can be and I don't blame you one bit. Bull Terriers are awesome dogs and yours will quickly become a big part of your life.
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Not that we were in a hurry but we felt it was the right time to add a canine to our family.
I applaud you on your efforts to concentrate on the quality of the dog you breed rather than quantity for the masses that desire your Bullies.
Backwoods seems to have a number of repeat customers. Their owners' pages are updated quite frequently New pics of customers and their bullies go up both when they pick 'em up and months down the road.
They also offer EBT rescue and have successfully adopted dogs out to suitable homes (the hard part). As I mentioned in the Detroit thread, I have a soft-spot for rescued BTs because my first was adopted from a Humane Society. It doesn't look like they have updated that page in a bit though.
Stoges_mom and I have the time to devote to puppy so we elected to have a dog bred for us. Otherwise we may have considered an older dog from a rescue.
They too offer a health guarantee and yours certainly tops their one-year offering.
I think every breeder brings something a little different to the table. After reading Remer's book, I can appreciate how breeders can evolve the breed. Some of the history of the Bull Terrier was sculpted by different people perfecting the breed in their own way. Some of their differences molded these animals into what we come to expect today. What will the Bull Terrier look like 40 years from now? The changes will be minute compared to what was accomplished earlier but it's still interesting how much controversy still exists in the ranks.
Maybe it's just a leader of the pack kind of mentality that pushes the breeder in each line. Whatever it is, I think it's good for the breed.
Stoeger's color confusion may be more apparent in person, I dunno? That's why I asked here
I've been lucky enough to enjoy one of these Bullies in my earlier life, it's a first for Stoges_mom. It will certainly be interesting to see how us three progress together.
Stay tuned!
I don't wanna feel like we're holding any of the experience back, lol.
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That little wizard has cast a spell!!!
Let's test Steve's photo-recall skills... What is your prediction of what Stoge's markings will fill out like when he's an adult?
Judging his litter-mates and sire, he will be quite a bit lighter brindle in comparison, no?
That Red and White puppy I posted above (last 3 pics) is a puppy we kept from a past litter - Karamel. Here's what she looks like 4 years later:
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The lightening of the coat with age is what has me intrigued.
I'm guessing he might look like this mini--> http://www.flickr.com/photos/27399890@N04/3361372066/in/photostream/
I think his markings might end up resembling this this attached pup's coloring.
(2) Premier Clik-R dog Training Clickers
(1) ProSelect Everlasting Double Door Crate w/Divider 36"L x 23"W x 26"H
(1) 32oz. Grizzly Salmon Oil All-Natural Dog Food Supplement
(2) Large Durapet Premium Stainless No-Tip Dog Bowl
(1) Victor grain Free Super Premium Dog Food All Life Stages Formula 30lb.
Obviously, those are the essentials. What else do you folks suggest should be on my next Stogie buying binge!?!?
I'm still doing research on indestructible Bully toys...
The hardest part was finding a sturdy crate that I felt would be suitable for many years of use.
The local pet stores seemed to just stock flimsy, cheap but priced high junk (bottom line profit seemed to be their only concern).
I remember buying Spud a nice bed before he was picked up for adoption. The first hour in the crate he ripped it up immediately.
I don't care if the toy gets shredded, just as long as it does break off in chunks big enough to choke on.
My first Bully used to choke on toys/bones/food that my parents gave him. I'd prefer Stogie didn't do the same...
Thanks Soapskid, I've also heard that old blankets are best for his den.