Here you go Boyda, made you a relatively simple chart to help you understand a little bit better.
(again, please don't judge my paint skills LOL!)
please make sure to click it so you can read it.
also note, I did not take into consideration white dogs, or the percentage of each color youd get in each litter, because it really depends on how strong or weak the genes are for each individual dog-and you wont know that unless you have a look into the dogs pedigree to see what is there.
Thanks for the photo! I've been reading a ton lately as far as the different allele's that contribute the different colors. So far from my understanding (and I could be wrong, again I'm still learning) that you would need both parents to have dominate KK (or one KK and the other possibly BB?) genes in order to produce a dark brindle dog, but I get thrown off a bit when they add in the other factors such as tri and brindle because those are produced from the same locus group, not mentioning the many other possible factors. It can be a bit difficult because most are just paragraph after paragraph. I'm better with picture books! Hahaha!
My basic understanding of genes is one parent contributes 50%, so in a perfect world if I had four puppies, each would have a 25% chance of a nice black brindle( if I paired two correct locus group), but my chances decrease if either parent or both carry a recessive gene. That's also how we get the liver colored BT's, both parents have to carry the recessive b gene, so if a BT is born liver, both parents are Bb. I just don't understand that with all the brindle bullies we have, why we don't see more of the ones pictured above. Is it not a common occurrence to breed brindle/brindle? I typically see most color BT's breed with white, but then again I'm still new to this whole venture and I'm probably wrong.
The bully above is a black brindle-not a solid brindle or brindle and white.
if your looking to create a nice dark solid brindle, youd breed together a black brindle (such as above) with a dark brindle.
if you wee looking to breed a nice red brindle, youd combine a red dog carrying brindle to a brindle.
I personally don't see it as each parent contributing 50/50 mainly due to the genes.
such as, if you breed white dog to a red dog 50/50 thinking means youd get ALL red and white puppies, HOWEVER, if both parents come from brindle dogs-more then likely youd get atleast one brindle pup, maybe more.
lets say you bred a red and white dog to another red and white dog-if you got all red and white pups then most likely the dog paired each had atleast one red and white parent.
if you bed 2 red and white dogs together and produced one or two brindle pups along with red and whites, then that would mean that both dogs carried brindle.
If your trying to produce a specific color or pattern, then you really need to pay attention to what is in the background.
ill give you an example using Chimeras genetics as an example:
One would assume that, with soo many white dogs on both sides of the gene pool-that all white or white carrying colo would of been expected-yet, 2 of the litter of 3 were nearly solid, not to mention many of Chimera's half siblings from her fathers side are indeed solids.
and that can be linked right to the solid red dog on her fathers side, his genes are so stong, they over powerd the white and is causeing genetically solid pups from colored and white pups, I have a strong feeling that Chimera is genetically a solid dog.
The Black Brindle pictured on the lead had this caption below it on Facebook...
"This is a solid black brindle. These come from mating together parents that are coloured. Some of the offspring have very little white on them and breed 'true' for colour - meaning they can never have a white pup." North Island Bull Terrier Club (NZ)
If the black brindle has been paired wit ha white dog before and thru coloed and white or solid pups, it would make it a "true" solid, meaning genetically its in deed a solid colored dog.
Though, again like stated "Never say Never" because all you need is that one white dog whos genes are strong to throw a white or mostly white pup.
That's my biggest confusion from this whole thing, it's hard to tell what dog carries what gene unless you get them tested for that particular gene. Anyways, great info and thanks for the clarification xchairity. Those BT's pictured above are beautiful nonetheless!
just look at the pedigree and see what each dog could carry, Black Brindle is so stong in my female Chimera, that if she were bred to a say solid white dog or a red dog who had no black brindle in the past 4 generations of the pedigree-she would most likely still throw a black brindle pups, the black brindle is so strong in her genes, that it would take a LONG time to breed it out.
Those are actually really good photos because they are clear and close up. When people comment about seeing a solid black Bull Terrier that didn't have any brindle on it I always tell them it may have appeared solid black from the photo but I guarantee it had brindle. This puppy could easily look like a solid black from photo taken outside in low light. However, these 3 photos clearly show the brindle in the places where brindle would be present like the lower part of the legs.
- Steve Gogulski "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!" www.bulliesofnc.com
That's a Black Brindle solid. Not too uncommon. I guarantee he has a white chest. To date, I have yet to see a Bull Terrier that didn't have a white chest regardless of color.
I like to wear camo things, and when idiots that don't know how wonderful Bullies are ask, "why did you get that breed" , I answer, " because he matches my shirt".... Every dumb questions deserves the appropriate response.
In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
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Here you go Boyda, made you a relatively simple chart to help you understand a little bit better.
(again, please don't judge my paint skills LOL!)
please make sure to click it so you can read it.
also note, I did not take into consideration white dogs, or the percentage of each color youd get in each litter, because it really depends on how strong or weak the genes are for each individual dog-and you wont know that unless you have a look into the dogs pedigree to see what is there.
Yes, it can be difficult at times! while it is not a recessive -your chances of getting nice dark pups is inceased if you pair them.
The bully above is a black brindle-not a solid brindle or brindle and white.
if your looking to create a nice dark solid brindle, youd breed together a black brindle (such as above) with a dark brindle.
if you wee looking to breed a nice red brindle, youd combine a red dog carrying brindle to a brindle.
I personally don't see it as each parent contributing 50/50 mainly due to the genes.
such as, if you breed white dog to a red dog 50/50 thinking means youd get ALL red and white puppies, HOWEVER, if both parents come from brindle dogs-more then likely youd get atleast one brindle pup, maybe more.
lets say you bred a red and white dog to another red and white dog-if you got all red and white pups then most likely the dog paired each had atleast one red and white parent.
if you bed 2 red and white dogs together and produced one or two brindle pups along with red and whites, then that would mean that both dogs carried brindle.
If your trying to produce a specific color or pattern, then you really need to pay attention to what is in the background.
ill give you an example using Chimeras genetics as an example:
One would assume that, with soo many white dogs on both sides of the gene pool-that all white or white carrying colo would of been expected-yet, 2 of the litter of 3 were nearly solid, not to mention many of Chimera's half siblings from her fathers side are indeed solids.
and that can be linked right to the solid red dog on her fathers side, his genes are so stong, they over powerd the white and is causeing genetically solid pups from colored and white pups, I have a strong feeling that Chimera is genetically a solid dog.
"This
is a solid black brindle. These come from mating together parents that
are coloured. Some of the offspring have very little white on them and
breed 'true' for colour - meaning they can never have a white pup." North Island Bull Terrier Club (NZ)
Below was the comment "Never say never, lol"
If the black brindle has been paired wit ha white dog before and thru coloed and white or solid pups, it would make it a "true" solid, meaning genetically its in deed a solid colored dog.
Though, again like stated "Never say Never" because all you need is that one white dog whos genes are strong to throw a white or mostly white pup.
Quite a stunner!
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This puppy could easily look like a solid black from photo taken outside in low light. However, these 3 photos clearly show the brindle in the places where brindle would be present like the lower part of the legs.
"It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
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I believe her name is Jett, I'm guessing like Jet-Black.
You're right Steve, you can see the black and brindle color layers pretty clearly.
https://www.facebook.com/608414629171183/photos/a.608415642504415.1073741828.608414629171183/817869798225664/?type=1&theater
Here's the photo of the EBT @exiled linked to:
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I found of few pics of a male Black Brindle solid newborn. Rare indeed.
What do you think of this cutie - @exiled
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