@Boyda - Liver is a fault solely because it falls outside the breed standards in regard to (3) elements:
Fur color - Not within the 22 color standards
Nose Color - It isn't black like it should be. It's actually red.
Eye Color - The Liver gene causes the eyes to lighten to a yellowish green color which also drifts from the standard stating eyes are to be Dark and piercing.
Liver isn't a fault in many breeds but they include the color and genetic makeup in their standards. Some have specific names for them like the :
Chocolate Lab
Red Doberman
Red Nose Pit Bull
- Steve Gogulski "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!" www.bulliesofnc.com
The photographer in me LOVES these photos. My friend sent this to me this morning and I wanted to share with you guys! What do you think about the EBT??
Do you think that's a full breed? I don't know if its the lip or what that makes the nose look turned in. There was the whole link, not sure where it went.
I have seen them with both blue eyes and greenish yellow eyes. Looks different and nice (to some) but it's an instant disqualification at any show and frowned on by any Bull Terrier enthusiasts that takes pride in the breed standards which depict the eyes to be "Dark and piercing. " AKC clearly states "Any Bull Terrier with Blue Eyes will be a disqualification." With this said, it's unique alright but clearly a genetic fault.
Another fault I'm seeing more and more of is White BT's with saddleback marks. Some breeders could care less about the standards and worsen the reputation of the Bull Terrier which still holds a high pedigree value but I have a feeling in a few more years we'll see slow demise to the quality of the BT breed here in the states based on the mentality to breed any and all BT's despite their faults and without any form of ambition to better the qualities in accordance to the standards.
Here's a photo I seen the other day on Facebook of some poorly bred BT's. It receives many "likes" which only encourages backyard breeders to continue with their destruction of the breed. I think just about every BT illustrated has saddleback marks.
Beau has a little patch of red at base of tail, we knew this would be classed as a fault if we showed but we wanted her as a pet and not to breed from. She does come from good breeding and the breeder made us aware of the mark being a fault so we were happy with that wasn't an issue for us
Totally understand what you are saying and I agree. We thought about it and looked into the fault but thought that was the one we wanted out of the litter of four the three others had perfect markings but funnily we just wanted her so maybe it was good we took her as it won't be passed on I think in the future when we get another ( don't let my husband here this lol) I would like to get a full black brindle if we can my good friend has 2 miniatures and one is full black brindle and gorgeous il try get a pic of him up..
They are desired and sought after by many but others have the complete opposite feelings about them because they are not within the breed standards. There are "designer" breeders deliberately trying to produce livers much the same way breeders of French Bull Dogs strive to produce Blue Frenchies even though they're not showable and within the standard.
- Steve Gogulski "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!" www.bulliesofnc.com
It's in their genes. The "Liver" gene actually extracts all black coloring and creates more of a maroon color. Even their nose won't be black and their eyes wont be dark. It's the same principle as a "Chocolate Lab", "Red Doberman", or "Red Nose Pit." These are all Livers. The Bull Terrier just does not except it as a standard to the breed.
- Steve Gogulski "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!" www.bulliesofnc.com
I love livers, but I can understand why they are frowned upon from most. Once you go liver, you can't go back to the other colors easily. So, I'll have to admire them from afar! But I always did have to question why it's a fault, they get the liver gene the Dalmatian genes.
It's upsetting that people want to make an income from having bull terriers. Some of us are passionate about the breed but some take it to an extreme by their logic of breeding them will give them some income. What comes with the territory is hours and hours of stress on the mother, pups amd breeder that can be replaced with a reliable job instead of an easy cop out by breeding.
I'd like to leave the breeding to those who are responsible and to think you are paying a lot for a quality bully is asking for too much think about the 8 weeks the breeder took to make them healthy for you. That $1400 they are charging really isn't much to them to think about the time they spent raising them for 8 weeks. I think it's only fair to pay the prices I've seen for a healthy bully I just don't have the income to get adopt another but have the time and resources to adopt another.
Anyone who is actually in it for overall quality invests more money into their dogs then they will ever see returned out of litter. It is sad to see people exploit this breed in hopes of a "big" gain. The only way they even see a gain is by cutting much needed investments in the dogs, like health care, diet and time. I don't think 1400 is cheap, but for this breed I honestly believe it is even on the low side. The one reason I have a job is to help fund my BT addiction! I wish more people had your same viewpoint in leaving the breedings to those who are responsible. As much as I adore the liver, I would never breed to gain that color or even condone a breeding of such interest, to me it will remain a forbidden love affair!
Boyda - $1400 isn't cheap but what people don't see is the time and effort the breeders do to translate it in being more than $1400 for the breeder. I think the breeders will maintain living standards but their fulfillment comes from when a person brings a pup home and it changes them forever. The enjoyment they see are the reasons for doing it and also uplifting the breed into a positive and healthy light.
I agree, 1400 isn't cheap, but for this breed it is a very fair price on the lower end of the money pool I guess you can say. I hate even talking about money with this breed, as I honestly believe they are priceless and my dogs are worth more then I can ever give back to them in time and treats!
Sorry to butt in your convo my bully is my world and I totally agree with you I'm not sure if I triggered this off with my asking how you get the liver coloured bully :-S things would be much better if you had to registered to breed dogs I'm not just saying kc reg but in general if you were to breed any dog you should be vetted to make sure it was all done for the right reasons
Jai, I love liver colors! Don't get me wrong, I will just never condone the breeding people specifically do to get a colored. Sometimes the best prize is a surprise of a liver colored pup!
I think their beautiful too, I was really intrigued how you get them if it was deliberately done some how or fluke.I already want another have to get the beau in check 1st :-S love this colour too
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The others are just some unique and unusually colored Bullies I came across recently.
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The liver pups are cool too.
I love the definition of the brindle on the dog with the ball.
The two-face Bullies are absolutely super in my eyes.
Crayon Bull Terrier! Thought this was cute.
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Only thing hurting it is that wall socket. If that was Photoshopped out... It would be perfect.
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He plays so much rougher with adults.
Liver isn't a fault in many breeds but they include the color and genetic makeup in their standards. Some have specific names for them like the :
"It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
www.bulliesofnc.com
"It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
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However, that last photo is ?????????????
"It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
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I have seen them with both blue eyes and greenish yellow eyes. Looks different and nice (to some) but it's an instant disqualification at any show and frowned on by any Bull Terrier enthusiasts that takes pride in the breed standards which depict the eyes to be "Dark and piercing. " AKC clearly states "Any Bull Terrier with Blue Eyes will be a disqualification." With this said, it's unique alright but clearly a genetic fault.
Another fault I'm seeing more and more of is White BT's with saddleback marks. Some breeders could care less about the standards and worsen the reputation of the Bull Terrier which still holds a high pedigree value but I have a feeling in a few more years we'll see slow demise to the quality of the BT breed here in the states based on the mentality to breed any and all BT's despite their faults and without any form of ambition to better the qualities in accordance to the standards.
Here's a photo I seen the other day on Facebook of some poorly bred BT's. It receives many "likes" which only encourages backyard breeders to continue with their destruction of the breed. I think just about every BT illustrated has saddleback marks.
"It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
www.bulliesofnc.com
"It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
www.bulliesofnc.com
"It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
www.bulliesofnc.com
I'd like to leave the breeding to those who are responsible and to think you are paying a lot for a quality bully is asking for too much think about the 8 weeks the breeder took to make them healthy for you. That $1400 they are charging really isn't much to them to think about the time they spent raising them for 8 weeks. I think it's only fair to pay the prices I've seen for a healthy bully I just don't have the income to get adopt another but have the time and resources to adopt another.