Found one of the most disturbing breeders out there.

Boyda

Well, long story short, I found this FB page and am absolutely disgusted. He is breeding subpar dogs, but the most disturbing part is that he is having a puppy off! Breaks my heart.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Frankensteins-Bull-Terriers/706245389387507?ref=ts&fref=ts

Leslie

:-/

exiled

Whoa, that picture of the BT about to give birth.  Ugh.  The BT with its head through a broken fence, chains, harness on one inside of a kennel...

What in the world is a puppy off?  That doesn't have a good sound to it.

Soapskid

Puppy raffle by paid entry. It's disturbing to think that someone would raffle a puppy to garner as much cash as they can then give the puppy to an owner that may not know what they are getting into. I thought the whole part of breeding was to better the breed but also place the pups in homes where they will be loved whether show or pet.

Boyda

He's dog is about to whelp and I'm pretty sure he is going to sell tickets to people and whoever has the winning ticket wins one of the puppies. This breaks my heart. I found him through Instagram when roaming though all the BT pictures and noticed his dog with really bad saddle marks and comments about "shipping his man juice", then searched his "kennel" name on Facebook and found this. I don't know what's worse, him having a puppy raffle or that he has over 3000 likes.

exiled

Oh dear!  Unbelievable.  I am at a loss for words.  I had absolutely no idea anyone would sell raffle tickets for a puppy, much less a breed that needs experienced owners.  Are these supposedly registered puppies?  How can this be legal.  Do humane shelters have any legal position to shut this sort of stuff down?

exiled

Well, just went back to the FB page and he has that the price is 1000. and includes AKC papers and 1st set of shots

BulliesofNC

HEY, but READ their slogan - "Frankenstein Kennel Club is Dedicated to breeding Champion line AKC Reg Bull Terriers."  These are champion Bull Terriers!  :^o  :-?  :O

Saddly, I've seen so many breeders that mirror these guys over the years but on a good note the never last long. They'll stick around for about 3 or 4 litters and after discovering that people see right through them, notice the faults in their dogs, see the environment they are raised in, and have questionable concerns in the character of the breeders they fizzle out. Their motive is financial gain but when puppies hit around 12 weeks of age and can't be sold (raffled off) or found homes they usually resort to finding other methods of making money or hustling money.

The beauty about the Bull Terrier breed is the fact that it's an AKC breed that still maintains pedigree value (for now anyway) and the average price tag on a puppy is higher than most other breeds. Yes, this attracts backyard breeders and puppy mills but with the price high on puppies 90% of people conduct thorough research to ensure their money is invested into a healthy puppy with reputable bloodlines that mirrors the breed standards. 

For those that love APBT's please don't take this in a negative way. However, often times some of nasty BT breeders evolve from getting into the BAD BOY Pit Bull scene and suddenly find out there's not much financial gain in selling puppies for $300 from the back of their pickup truck at the local WalMart parking lot and decide to try a more expensive breed that may still have that Bad Boy stigma. Knowing nothing at all about the Bull Terrier breed they visit puppyfind.com and get themselves a pair of breeders. Next thing you know you have new breeders evolving like "Frankenstein's Bull Terriers."

Have a look at one of their pictures which actually shows one of their other dogs obviously a APBT with the common 3" rusty chain made into a collar and a huge 3-4" chain leash. This is supposed represent a Big Tough Dog so strong that it requires a battleship ship to be used as a leash to restrain his brutal strength. I guarantee attempts were made to sell puppies from the other APBT's this breeder owns but they soon realized they were producing the same mutts that are overfilling our shelters throughout the country. Now they've come up with a brilliant idea - Breed and sell English Bull Terriers and sell them for for 2-3 times as much as their APBT's.

Analyze this photo of theirs and tell me you don't think both dogs were placed in front of a child that never spent more than a few minutes with either dog which spend their lives chained up in a makeshift kennel behind their house. The purpose of this photo is to attract idiots who will say "Damn, look at those Bad Ass Tough Dogs, and they're good with kids too!"

BulliesofNC

Here's a few pictures of that reveal the champion qualities. Or should I say "Custom" qualities:

exiled

What struck me immediately were the saddle marks on the dog's body, the depressed expression on the female about to give birth to puppies in a box, and the dog in a kennel with all sorts of ripped up stuff with a harness on it inside of the kennel.  Anyone that's ever been around a BT knows that happy and clownish expression with the feeling they are thinking of ways to cause mischief, that smart and loyal look in their eyes.  It is so sad to see the expression on these BT's faces.  It is not the look of a happy BT, or at least not the expression of any BT I've ever had the pleasure to be around.

I still want these dogs to have happy lives.  My fingers are crossed that they experience the love that everyone on this forum fills their BT's lives with, not what I see in these pictures.  

Boyda

I'm sure he 'loves' his dogs, but I honesty feel like he loves the idea of his dogs better. I highly doubt the money he gets from a puppy actually goes back into his dogs, I'm surprised he even gets their shots. I pray that the female is able to whelp in a comfortable area and everything goes safely for her. I don't have high hopes that she'll live a great life and that really bothers me.

BulliesofNC

Here's another one: https://www.facebook.com/YaBoiMistaJohnson

Boyda

If this picture isn't labeled real winner, don't know what will!

philsergeant

It wouldn't be all that bad if the picture represented a small and extreme segment of society.... But, not just in the world of dog breeding, but all too many aspects of life, this form of degenerate population grows and grows until it's almost the norm.... Sad... I would not like to be a young person today, and find out how far removed we are from all culture and decency in 50 years from now.

Soapskid

Friend picked this up but there's a breeder on PuppyFind.com that had a litter with deaf pups and is selling them still at around $700. Sickens me that they would do this.

BulliesofNC

Well their hope is that people will fall in love with the photo they see in front of them of a cute Bull Terrier puppy that is priced around their financial limits. The real sad part is the fact that deafness is easily noticed as a puppy but due to the poor genetics that litter of puppies may very well have other health and temperament issues.

Soapskid

I agree. It's also more challenging to train a deaf puppy and I think it's safe to assume if a hearing bully is work a deaf one might just be more.

Leslie

To bad the thugs didn't have a tougher time getting a hold of them.

BulliesofNC

That's an awesome photo Leslie! Where did you find it? I'm going to have to share that one. I'll use a different picture though, don't wish to make the owner mad.

Leslie

Facebook

BulliesofNC

I'm making a new one now.  That pic is good but it's too dark.

I just love that slogan!

Leslie

Ummmmmm wtf is this?? This pup with his/her mates are on Facebook for sale:/ are these BTs

Leslie

Post the new one please!!

Quinnofhearts

I understand the problems with the one of the left, but what's wrong with the one on the right? Too much white on the body? (I also realize it's substandard in other aspects...i.e. head shape looks bad)

Leslie

AWWWWW!!!

BulliesofNC

 

Leslie

Love it Steve!!!!♥♥

BulliesofNC

Seen this add today and it came from someone in my state of North Carolina. This is a good example of how the Bull Terrier breed gets tarnished with a bad reputation and loses the good reputation they withhold.  http://www.hoobly.com/55Zo/extreme-bully-up-for-stud-exotic-bull-terrier.htm

http://rockafellabullies.yolasite.com/

Boyda

I'm a bit confused.... They want to stud their dog to an EBT? Why in the world.....

BulliesofNC

Apparently they're trying to "invent" a new BULLY breed.

exiled

Shaking my head at all of this stuff.  Ugh!  I'm extremely happy to be on the waiting list that I'm on. 

Leslie

This sickens me:(

Boyda

That would make a very.... Ummmm..... Interesting mix. Hopefully no one ever agrees to this!

BulliesofNC

If there's a dollar to be made by those with 40 pound CKC Bull Terriers that paid $500 for their "Pure Bred" Bull Terrier they'll be happy to take the chain off their neck, put them away from their tree they're tied to, and venture into breeding them with hopes of making a unique and rare breed of dog that can't be found anywhere (besides their muddy and dingy backyard).
Ever wonder how the shelters within the humane society racks up unwanted mutts???

Coming Soon, to Walmart Parking Lots Near You:
(As written on the cardboard box)
Exotic Designer Bullies - Part Champion APBT, Part Champion Bull Terrier - $400
Comes with Free Muzzle and 2" Chain Choke collar. Puppies 5 weeks old and ready to go!!!!

Leslie

Lol!!! I know not funny but truth be told its true! Then you will have the neighbor say ooooo I love your puppy what is it, they will go get one for a Christmas present for their kid and 2 months latter due to genetic faults and poor health drop it off at the shelter:(

exiled

I don't fool around with craigslist, but I did a search after this thread to see what was on related to BT and found someone selling puppies that were bred with one parent APBT and the other one was half APBT and BT.  Steve is so on target with what he wrote, they will do it and have been doing it.  His vivid description is also spot on, everything, down to the selling location and the age they'll be ready to go.  Disgusting, all of it.

Stoges_mom

A while ago we also did a craigslist search for bt and would you believe someone in their wanted to trade their puppy for a snowmobile!!! Unbelievable!

Leslie

Craig's list is a terrible place to post any dog or puppy because its an easy place for the assholes out their to look for p uppys and dogs to use for bait dogs. It takes all kinds stoges mom

Stoges_mom

I agree Leslie, we weren't Looking for a pet but rather looking to see if there were any on there. Which I shouldn't hv done bc it just makes me want to grab them all to make sure they have good lives!! lol

BONC_Jacksonville

Eeek, another nut to make me drink.  Things like this are so wrong.

Xtracho

The new thing out there is called "trunking". Done most frequently in Miami. The scumbags take two dogs, coop them up in the trunk of their car, crank the music up loud, ride around for a while, stop, then open the trunk to see who the winner is.

Makes me want to feed them a 230 grain chunk of lead.

Stoges_mom

Oh my god that's terrible, I'm completely appalled. How can people really be so cruel to animals!

philsergeant

When they make me President I'll pass a law to swiftly remove the goolies from everyone that abuses wonderful creatures like this.

Leslie

One of the greatest lessons I've learned from my dogs is their better than people:/

THOR

And yall know the funny thing is not just 3 weeks ago my friends, friend wanted to stud Thor out to his pit and was really really bugging me I meen bugging and I told him flat out no that im not ruining the EBT breed or the APBT breed so go bug someone else... and its sad how society is now day and most yung people are today but I think im one of the very few yung people in this world now days that will turn something like that down ... im 22 years old.... but its sad to say there are people out there willing to down our loveable and wonderful EBT... nothing against pits tho 

THOR

Sorry lol im just very passionate about the EBT breed

Leslie

Props to you for standing your ground!!! Nothing wrong with wanting to keep pits pits and EBTs EBTs and trust me when I say I whole heartedly love both breeds;)

THOR

Thank you thank you... I just wouldn't want to ruin a already perfect breed as they are already.... but I owe it to all of yall for giving me the information and and how perfectly our EBT our today 

xchairity_casex

You'll see a lot of awful things going on in any breed of dog- To me the saddest realizations are when you see it coming from a Kennel you had respect for- or that a lot of people have respect for.

There are a few Big name Kennel's here in the US I would not buy from, nor would I ever sell a pup too.

Breeders that are so desperate for a show winning dog that they dont give a damn about health, temperament or the sheer amount of pups they are pumping out.

Keep an eye on some of these BT breeders with thousands of friends with dogs attending and winning shows- keep tabs on there cryptic FB statuse's

the one's who post R.I.P status's but  then seemingly "forget" to mention how the dog died, or the one's who duck and dodge the topic of health testing,

keep tabs on how old the stud dogs are when they begin siring litters.

watch some of these well known stud dogs and count up how many litter's they are sireing in a years time or the litter anouncements- you may be surprised at just how many puppies each one has sired, some males can have upwards of a few hundred offspring all over the world- now you had better hope that breeder has done all the necessary health tests because otherwise, that is potentially a few hundred dogs all over the world with possible kidney, heart issues- or worse Temperament issues.

it is those big name-well known kennels that are determining in which direction our beloved breed will head.

It is those well known breeders who are seemingly active on social networking sites, yet seem to keep things secretive and hush hush you need to keep tabs on and pay attention to...

BulliesofNC

Very true. I keep a close eye on everyone and have been very shocked by some of the things breeders do and say especially those that have dozens of co-owned dogs all over the country and then boost about only having a few dogs that they breed when the truth is far from it. It also saddens me to see the various "reputable" show dogs dieing early (as depicted in AKC records) for unknown reasons. Many breeders turn a blind eye to the known genetic problems within their bloodline especially when it comes to liver and kidney disease.
Some breeders have no problem developing a litter of puppies and selling them but when there's a Bull Terrier in need of rescue in their own state they suddenly have no room to foster the Bull Terrier or pretend as though they know nothing about the EBT in need of rescue. I see this every day and all the breeders who call themselves reputable should be shot in the foot for allowing it to happen.
No matter what, there will always be bad breeders out there. The key is to visit multiple breeders and meet with them and their dogs. View photos of the puppies they've had in the past and see how they turned out as adults. All too often many breeders think the mating between two of their gorgeous Bull Terriers will result in Show puppies but then get confused when they discover the puppies ended up being small, skinny,  frail, 40 pound adults that have weak qualities and no show potential. This could be very disappointing for someone that paid a lot of money for a Bull Terrier in which they hoped to show but realize many months after the purchase that their Bull Terrier doesn't have the qualities to be a contender. Some breeders who mandate co-ownership may even tell the owner of the puppy who is raising him or her that they are not allowed to show their dog because they know it lacks the qualities and do NOT wish to exploit their bloodlines at a show with a BT that lacks good qualities. It the "Hide the bad, Show the Good" mentality. Showing isn't all about the way a dog looks either. Their temperament, character, and gait is judged too.
I've put this link out several times in the past and it speaks volumes in regard to key aspects in finding reputable Bull Terrier breeders. Many other breeders disagree with some of the things I've mentioned within the article but only because it pertains to an area they may not be doing or feel is important. However, responsible owners looking for a responsible breeder may think otherwise.
http://bulliesofnc.com/finding-reputable-bull-terrier-breeder

xchairity_casex

Writing this all down has made me come to realize how much i have learned and how much my views have changed since really getting into this breed.

when i got my first BT, i used to think anyone who had a kennel was the devil, working BT's were unstable, and the only thing that mattered were temperaments, and anyone who shows or has a CH titled dog is the best of the best.

and now I know that not all kennels are evil, working BTs can be fabulous dogs, and Health and health testing is JUST as important as temperament, and a good few of those breeders with CH titled dogs are total scum.