Raw Diet
I apologize for bringing this up again, i am interested in starting the dogs on a totally raw diet, I remember seeing Steve you posted a basic raw diet recipe, can you post it again because I can not find it anywhere! Ivy my friend is going to go raw and I think I may do it too, I just want to find a recipe with everything in it that I just cant possibly screw up. I am very paranoid to get them sick, or do it wrong. Everything I read online is just so much to take in!
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prey model is pretty easy stuff and i just LOVE IT!! 2 months ago our power was out for a while and all my raw meat went spoiled! my bf offerd to buy them some kibble and i was stumped and gave in, he bought me a small bag of orijen. the dogs kept taking huge craps, there poop reeked and htey kept farting UGH! i said then and there NEVER AGAIN will my dogs ever eat kibble again!
you really have no idea how great prey model is untill your dogs have been on it for a few months! with 3 dogs in a tiny ass yard i NEVER had to pick up poop, 55-60 pound Cesars poop is smaller then my sisters toy poodles poop and he only goes about once per day i could stick my nose 2 inches from it and i doubt i would be able to smell anything.
no more gas,no more itchy skin, no ear infections, no dirty ears, no dog breath or dog smell period (not even wet dog smell) no runny eyes or eye boogers.
and you can put 5-10 pounds or drop 5-10 pounds from your dog within weeks, i had to up Cesars fat intake for the winter as his skin gets dry from the heaters and dry weather, started adding more fat and hes gained 5 pounds in a week (im cutting back on the meat/fat so he drops the weight relativly quickly)
another side effect is, dogs are about 10 times more CALM, they are more stable in energy levels its like if your dog was up and down and up and down and up and down suddenly they are just calmer. nervous dogs become calmer and more relaxed hyper dogs burn energy easier it seems, its fantastic. i was a HUGE skeptic for a long time about raw i was so freaked out about parasites, salmonella, and bone shards.
now i dont worry one single bit and i know its the best thing ever!
@ Boyda, Prey model raw is an all meat diet. no fruits or veggies or kibble necessary.
The basic principles of prey model raw is
10% of the over-all diet should be organ meats (organs are a MUST!)
10% of the over-all diet should be bones(also a must!)
and 80% should be meat.
prey model means feeding all parts of the prey animal, fat, bones, organs, tendons, blood, skin even parts humans would not consume like genitalia,eyes, faces,ears etc.
these parts are very important-you CANNOT feed a dog JUST chicken breast or even just chicken, it needs to be varied.
My dogs will eat whole grouse-feathers,feet and heads.
whole parts of deer including fur and hooves.
and even whole fish including heads and scales. (Cesar loves fish scales!)
even whole raw eggs.
I feed a lot of wild game such as raw venison, raw grouse, raw wild caught fish.
but I also fee the basics, turkey, pork, beef, chicken, etc.
here are a few meals for my dogs in the photos
FOR THE SQUIMISH-DONT LOOK!!
One thing to remember is that all dogs get used to eating what they're fed and their digestive systems adjust to it. Give a dog raw meat when they aren't used to it and you wont see nuggets but you can stand by to see them get the Hershey squirts for 24 hours and provide you with hourly farts for days. Although I feed my dogs the same food I do notice that each of them expel different size manure. Each dogs digestive system is slightly different.
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I had to adjust Spud's diet as his immune system and skin can take a hit otherwise. I started feeding kibble supplemented with raw at about 60 to 40 percent respectively. This weekend is the end of the second week on half chicken quarters M/W/F/Sat//Sun. I did add a little duck gizzard left overs his first weekend. So far he's poopin less and they are firm to the point of leaving no marks although he did have a little soft during his first day or two.
One thing I've noticed is Spud has a bald patch due to a few bites and collar burn. There was a period where I was bag blaming it which I still do but the hair wasn't growing back so I decided to put him from TOTW High Prarie to Pacific Stream on the start of part raw and the hair is growing back pretty rapidly. I'll have more updates and pictures after a few weeks.
Also, we are thinking about feeding like rabbits, squirrels ext, do we gut then freeze and feed or jut freeze the whole thing and then thaw and feed?
@ Boyda- yes those balls are trout eggs, trout "rou" Me and my boyfriend do not like trout, so when he caught this monster female the entire thing was used as dog food (including the eggs inside!)
my dogs loved them-as did my rats.
@ Stoges_mom-yep, i left the nails on when i fed the grouse legs, if you are worried about scratches, you can take them off or file them down, i like giving all parts of animals because it offers a wide variety of nutrients you might not get in just the meat.
feeding any wild animal SHOULD be frozen for a while, warm blooded animals should can be frozen for a week or two-some people perfere longer, but i know some who don't freeze at all-i personally do just to kill any parasites.
fish should be froze for longer because they are cold blooded i like to freeze fish for 4-6 weeks.
i like to remove the stomach and intestinal tract, that's where most parasites would hang out-not to mention, many dogs eat around this part anyway in larger prey animals (dogs who are allowed to gorge on whole deer wont eat those parts)
so i like to cut them out then freeze so its easier. same for fish-when feeding wild caught fish make sure you check for any swallowed hooks from other fisherman so your puppies don't end uphooked.
you can thaw it and feed if you like-i personally like to feed my dogs frozen food simply because they have to work harder at eating it-and that allows me a "time out" for myself!
Something i want to clear up also is-a raw diet is not as high in protein as everyone assumes.
feeding an all raw diet a dog would get about 18-30% protein depending on the part of the animal they are eating or the animal.
say, if i a dog is eating a whole chicken (including feathers) they would be getting a much higher content of protein due to the feathers-if a dog is eating a pork chop, much less.
raw meat is around 70% water.
Water is needed for the kidneys to function, and most raw fed dogs only drink water occasionally (usually just when they are really hot and want a cool down)
A dogs body only needs so much protein the rest is simply pooped out.
It's great to be able to experiment with different quality foods whether it be raw meats, kibble, or both until you visually see what proves to provide the most benefits for your dog. I've experimented with foods for many years with dogs that lived to ripe old ages. My confidence of the diet I provide isn't based on results of my present dogs but more so on the historical results of past dogs that remained healthy into old age. I've always stuck to high quality grain free kibble and I still like to experiment with different brands that have excellent reviews. I think one of the benefits with a top quality kibble is that it's made with complete balance in mind. A diet strictly in Raw Meats requires focus in many areas of nutrition in order to ensure a well balanced diet is achieved. Often supplements or vitamins are required in order to maintain this nutrition level because a Raw Meat diet that isn't calculated to ensure a balance of nutrition is achieved will leave that dog lacking in proper nutrition. This may be why there are many websites explaining that a diet consisting of 100% Raw Meats can be hazardous to their health.
Again, no two people will ever agree 100% on what is and what is not considered to be the best diet for their own dog. As long as the dog is in optimal health and possesses the physical appearance that's desired that is the key to success for a long happy and energetic life.
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I'm not a scientist and I don't really know wht percentage I give of what, I kinda eyeball it as I know about how much he will eat. Stoeger seems to like everything so far.
Oh and on a side note, I've cut eggs out of his diet all together because of his reaction to the raw eggs. Even with cooked eggs his toenails were turning dark and I read up and found that it could be caused by an allergy or age. Being still a puppy I went with an allergy and figured since he couldn't handle the raw maybe he couldn't handle the cooked either. Since cutting eggs from his diet his toenails seem much better and not brittle and his gas has pretty much disappeared.... He has only produced the toxic green cloud maybe twice in the last two weeks without egg.
Yup, we stopped raw/cooked eggs and Stoge's rear end stopped making noises.
Unfortunately, yesterday he dug up some onions and ate them!!!
Poor pup has been throwing up anything he eats. I think we're gonna have to give him cooked chicken and rice as I've read on this forum to be good at settling down the stomach.
food dehydrator - raw beef and heart on the bottom two layers for dog treats,fruit on the others. Yum yum!
DianeWright, please could you provide me with the UPS tracking number, so nice of you to ship that wonderful package to my kids for early Christmas, you're a peach!
phil....lol....looking for it to arrive at my house 'in my wildest dreams'
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@Boyda-yes, whatever you put into your dehydrator WILL make your house smell.
I have one and I make my own dog treats, jerky for me, dried fruit for snacking, and dried veggies for soups and rats.
this year I bought a HUGE pumpkin and turned a lot of it into seasoned pumpkin bites with honey, cinnamon glaze.
and then just recently got done making bear jerky bits for the dogs.
I especially love to dry fruit, mangos, kiwi, banana, strawberries, blueberries and peaches will make your entire house smell like a fruit smoothy
I feed the girls 2lbs, it's over the 2% of their body weight, if we were not as active as we were I'd only be feeding them about 1.3lbs a day. I feed my boy 3lbs a day for the same reason, plus he's only 7 months and still needs the extra food just to help maintain a growing guy. I can really feed him 2.4lbs a day, but see no harm in the little extra, plus he's not overweight. As soon as he hits his peak, I might scale down a little bit if he shows signs of flab instead of fab.
As for the tripe, how much are you paying per pound? I've been able to get chicken gizzards, beef lips, pork loin - all for $.99 at the Mexican markets out here. Spud had issues with beef before so I cut it out the diet. I try to stick to turkey, chicken, some fish and duck sometimes.
If Spud is 51-52 lbs now and exited to maybe fill a little more for the new few months what do you think I should feed in raw for an active dog - dog park for two hours five times a week, pulling daily for short periods and daily walks.
I'm getting a blend of Green Tripe, Muscle Meat, Heart, Tongue, Trachea/Gullet and Ground Bone for 2.15/1lb. It's a bit pricey but I'm going to give it a try, if I don't like the results I'm going to switch it to just tripe and continue with what I'm doing now. It's hard to find green tripe locally!
http://www.greentripe.com
"It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
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"It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
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