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Chicken free , grain free puppy food ?

Can anyone with some better knowledge of good food ingredients tell me if burns puppy food lamb or James wellbeloved lamb are any good ? Vet has suspected a food intolerance and the two foods he's been trying ( very gradual transition) both contain chicken as the main meat source . 

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  • edited May 2016
    Especially with sensitivities the best way to go is always fresh. Not only is it healthier in many ways than dry food, it also allows for more control of the ingredients, which is of great help with allergies and sensitivities.

    As often intolerances and allergies do not necessarily result from one of the main ingredients, but rather one or several of the "million" additives in dry dog food (even inadvertently introduced "ingredients" such as molds or traces of other substances/ bugs etc. can cause intolerances or upset stomachs), it is just easier to avoid those or perform an exclusion diet when using just a handful of freshly prepared ingredients to feed the dog.
    Variety is key here and there are some important things to yield (e.g. calcium - phosphorous ratio, minerals etc.) and others to avoid. But overall, its not rocket science to feed fresh AND healthy.

    I am about to share some more great information on dog nutrition in my blog. But I am loaded with work right now, so sadly these posts will still have to wait another while.

    If the dog's digestion tolerates it and the dog also does not react allergic to it, chicken is not a bad ingredient at all. However, there are a lot of EBT's known to not tolerate poultry products very well and also some just don't like poultry too much.
    In dry food, that's basically the only concern with chicken, at least as far as I know.
    Lamb is also an ingredient that some dogs tend to refuse.

    Looking at the products you've mentioned:

    James Wellbeloved Puppy Lamb & Rice
    Burns Puppy Lamb & Rice Dry

    Both look acceptable overall.
    Grain free (add: of course, it's NOT grain free, if it contains rice. I think I mixed that up with a different product when looking for the varieties you had mentioned)
    and not an excessive long list of mystery ingredients and fillers. Both look plant based to me.

    Bottom line:

    I would not consider both of them very high quality foods, but ok.

    I would probably prefer James Wellbeloved Puppy Lamb & Rice, if I only had those two to choose from, because of the higher protein content (but that also depends, for some health conditions lots of protein are contraindicated) and because this one seems to contain more meat sourced protein.

    Sadly, looking at the list of ingredients this part is always a game of guessing with dry food, because no actual amounts are given, also ingredients are "split" up and spread through the list, depicting several different sources of animal and plant protein and carbs.
    Only the order in which ingredients are listed can be taken as a small reference.

    If had more choices, I would keep looking around for something better and take none of the two.
    But that's just me. And that does also not say anything about how your dog will tolerate these foods or so. It's just an evaluation if the list of ingredients I see and their order.
  • edited May 2016
    Harley Quinn is on James Well Beloved Puppy Dry Complete and does well on it. She prefers the fish variety. It is a good quality pet food, however I am thinking of moving to completely grain free and the adult variety does have rice and barley present so whilst it's Hypo-allergenic it does strictly have grain. I appreciate food intolerances are more about upset digestion so rice might not be an issue for you. I'm going to be trialing Harley with 'Evolution' Pets at Home's new complete food range which is completely grain free substituting rice for sweet potato. Eventually I'll be feeding Harley a Raw diet. Having had one dog with bad allergies I'm desperate to minimise any potential problems caused by diet As much as posssible. Hope that you find a diet that works, having an itchy dog isn't easy to watch and I suspect having a dog suffering food intolerances isn't either X Hope you get a food that he can tolerate and feels better soon .
  • Thanks to both of you for your input . I'm unsure what I can actually pick up in the UK that is a superior food source most of it seems a load of crap tbh although i was going to try acana it also has chicken another reason why I suspect it is chicken is once I gave him plain grilled then shredded chicken cooked in nothing literally half a 5p size which he chucked up after a couple of hours it's going to be a long process finding the right food . It's his colon that the inflamation is in if that may help ? Other than his poo you wouldn't know anything was wrong it's super frustrating but it's life I just want to make him better :( the ingredients which are in both are egg and chicken but I suspect chicken I just have that feeling which of course I'll tell his vet . Any recommendations are welcome . Thanks again 
  • edited May 2016
    Like mentioned before, if you want or need to feed an exclusion diet without knowing the real trigger yet, the safest way to go in my opinion would be to feed fresh.
    Your vet should be able to tell you more about the proper composition in order to avoid what is suspected to cause the upset stomach and at the same time include all of the necessary nutrients your dog needs.

    This is something that can hardly be done remotely over the internet, because we do not know the exact story of your dog as your vet knows it.

    Switching between dry foods in such a case will always include a variety of ingredients that can still hurt the sensitive gut flora and will possibly produce unclear results with regard to identifying the exact triggers.

    No matter which route you decide to go eventually - unless immediate negative results are kicking in, requiring an immediate change of nutrition - you will have to perform every trial for at least 2 weeks, ideally longer, because otherwise these switches may not produce clear results.

    I would strongly suggest to talk to your vet about a fresh exclusion diet for now - IF you want to try and identify the culprit by diet changes - and also ask him about necessary ingredients and add-ons.
    Like I said, this way you will have MUCH better control over the ingredients your dog is eating.

    Once you have identified the trigger/s, you can go ahead and look for the right kibble that does not contain any of them, if you don't want to stick to the fresh diet.
  • Thanks djammy you've been a real help I will definitely suggest trying a fresh exclusion diet . Are there any tests they could run without putting him through stress like a blood test ? At least the vet narrowed it down to diet as the culprit . He provided her with an extremely fresh sample next to her feet on Monday as he was due to do his thing which conflicted eith his appointment so she got to see first hand which I guess was very helpful LOL 
  • edited May 2016
    In terms of tests Steve is probably the one you should ask, for obvious reasons:
    He is one of the very responsible breeders doing health testing on their dogs. So, naturally he has quite extensive knowledge of health testing and as I think also allergy testing and a lot of other things.

    As I know there are different tests and methods to test for allergies. But I don't know, for example, if a skin Prick test would be reliable to test for food allergies in a dog. Or if blood work would be the better way to go. A Prick test would require anesthesia, I think. These are all factors to consider.
    Some tests are known to be more reliable than others. But these all are questions for someone with a deeper knowledge. Also your vet SHOULD be able to tell you more about these things.

    I've never had such tests performed on any of my dogs. So my knowledge about that entire testing area is only the result of reading and very incomplete.
    Sorry, in that case I can't be of more help, because I don't want to tell you things that may lead you into wrong directions or experimenting.
  • Thanks yeah I don't want to put him under . I know nothing about bloodwork hence the question I'm prepared to spend whatever money it takes to get him better 
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    edited May 2016
    What thoughts/ discussions do you think these pet kibble manufacturers are having at their board meetings: ????
    A) "We really need to devote ourselves to finding out how we can get these dogs the most nutritious, damage free nourishment that we can possibly afford. Without pushing us into the danger of bankruptcy, but just keeping us comfortable and letting the public understand that we truly have the welfare of their beloved pets at heart."
    OR
    B) "what amount of cheap crap can we blend into this mix while still claiming that it's the best thing since sliced shit, and pretending that we actually care through all our misleading advertising, and delivering the greatest amount of profit possible whilst still putting aside enough contingency to allow for stiff legal fees if the shit ever hits the fan".
    Well, if you believe A) then continue on your path of voting for Hillary!
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • Vote hillary? I'll see what the vet says . We have a brand in the UK called bakers it is literally the worst it has something addictive in it with all these additives it even makes dogs naughty. I was just scared that I might miss something in his diet it's all rather daunting . I want him to get everything he needs I'm just a huge worrier always have been . 
    I'm sure the vet will sort something out for us it just got to me he's such a little angel 
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