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9 week old puppy AGGRESSION

Many know that I just got my puppy last week. I learned today the term is "singleton". No litter mates and his mom didn't want anything to do with him once her milk dried up after 2-3 days. 
So, the aggression has become worse each day we have had him.  I've heard to "pin" him. That seemed to "challenge" him and he got worse. Then I read to reward him for good behavior. I've done that too. As soon as i run out of treats or food, he goes back to his old ways.  I even yelp really loud when he bites and I close myself in a room, he scratches under the door until i come out and cries. and as soon as i do, he bites me on my leg. 
I am so depressed. I need help and advice. I am in the BOSTON area. If anyone can help...please let me know.
tonight he bit my husband in the face...and he's bleeding a lot. This literally just happened 5 minutes ago and I jumped on this website to get help. my husband is refusing to go to the hospital.I am a nurse in the ER and i know he will need stitches. 
PLEASE HELP ME. I dont know what to do. his "puppy training" class starts NEXT saturday, but I feel it'll only get worse. SOme times he's an angel, and others he is wild. HELP.

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  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    edited August 2015
    I hear you and am compassionate to your struggle, but he is a 9 week old little thing that you could literally tie into a pretzel.... It seems ( and obviously we have little to go on) that you are being too tolerant of his bs. If he behaves, he gets love and praise. If he mis behaves the little 18 lb? bundle of trouble gets smacked on the rump ( without losing your temper ) and pinned totally to the ground until immovable and if, when let up, he continues his nonsense he gets tossed ( gently but unceremoniously) into his crate and gets left there for 3 or 4 hours without attention. If he is misbehaving as badlly as you say, it is only because he escaping the discipline, not because some wild witch has instilled the devil in him. Because of the lack of litter mates and caring mother it is going to be a bit harder so you have to try harder. We all have had little terror puppies, it's the nature of the beast, regardless of the breed... It's the handling that's key. Outside help will help share the load, but not take it away by any means.... It's like thinking a teacher can solve an errant teenager without the parents. Don't let the little shyte get near anyone's face and constantly be weary of him going for ankles, sit on him if needed and get a muzzle if you ABSOLUTELY must. Don't give up ... I still tease my wife, when I see her snuggling and kissing and hugging our dogs by saying, " whatever happened to that woman that wanted those "lemons" shipped back to the breeder when they were 3 months old" ... She replies " I never, ever, said that" ... Right!!!
    Make your hubby go get some stitches, I recently had 20 in my calf when my bike sprocket cut 3 " deep into it when some a 25 year old a-hole cut me off... Didn't feel a thing... Although now they ruin my suntan. Good luck, have faith!
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • I'm saying by pinning him, it makes him worse. Not every dog may accept the same discipline. He has a different "history" than most puppies that have had litter mates. You may not think so, but I feel it has a LOT to do with his behavior .
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    If I am not mistaken I was was the one who suggested that his errant behaviour was probably because he was a single off-spring in the first instance. If you are saying that he is pinned to total submission and, once released, he starts back to aggression immediately, then this is something I have never experienced. If others on the forum have ever found this, then I'd hope they would speak up. Without sounding facetious, I suggest that you put him on a plane and ship him down here. Perhaps we'd ship him back in a month being the perfect gentleman. By "perfect gentleman" I am referring to Jaws, by "perhaps", I am referring to maybe we'd ship him back... :-))  No, seriously, if there are other Bullie owners nearer to you, I am sure they wouldn't mind a border for a few weeks ... If you, or someone else can control him, this will pass, he will learn... he is not a demon.
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • I'll pipe up because when we first got Rodney, he was 14 months, so he was much bigger and more ingrained in his behavior than a puppy, but seriously, pinning him seemed like it did nothing.  It was like he would just calm down like he was at the spa relaxing, and then once free, he was raring to go with even more fervor.  It didn't matter if someone pinned him for a few minutes or a few hours (he was never really pinned for an hour, just exaggerating).  He just went with the flow, went to his happy place, and then Bam! he was right back to his crazy place and terrorizing us like we had been living in a dream and the pinning never happened.

    Now, the best part:  That didn't last long at all.  It didn't seem like pinning worked, but it did.  Just keep pinning him.  Be consistent.  It will make you exhausted and convinced that your puppy will never be a good boy, but he will be.  It is brutal with these puppies.  We've all been there and the rewards are amazing.  Hang in there!

    Have you had a bull terrier before?  If not, this breed is unlike any other.  These dogs are so smart and they really believe they are the boss.  Yes, a tiny puppy is capable of thinking it can walk into your home and rule the place. 

    So sorry your husband got hurt so seriously.  Please encourage him to go get care if he needs it.  We've all learned the hard way with BTs, so he shouldn't feel badly or upset about it, just move on and keep up with disciplining his bad behavior and praising his good behavior.

    Now, something really important to ask:  How much exercise has the puppy been getting?  If he's in a crate while both of you are away at work all day, he's going to be wound up like a top.  He needs a ton of exercise and stimulation.  If  he doesn't get that and is alone the greater part of the day, that is probably not a good thing for these puppies.
  • We both work. I have tried to rearrange my schedule so much. For example. I switched shifts to work evenings tomorrow so I'll be home until 3 pm with him and my husband will be home at 5. Some days he goes to my in laws where my husband can stop by 2-3 times during the day to let him out and feed him until we are both home. I try to do a lot with him outside or inside. A lot of "fetch" and trying to get him to chase me outside to run as much as possible. Tonight, right before the bite, I took him to a small park in town where he met a bunch of strangers and to play with two dogs his size for a few minutes. I came home, ate my dinner and he tried to jump on me. I ignored him and he finally lied down at my feet. I was all done and my husband came over and the puppy started to bite my legs (not the usual puppy bite) kg husband said "no" really sternly and the dog sunk back down to a lying position. My husband was now at eye sight with it and he growled and jumped at his face. Later on j was putting clothes away which he tried to take. I had him by the harness to keep him out of the drawer. He growled , attempted to twist his Body and aimed for my wrist but I pulled him back with the other arm and pinned him. It was late and j was ready for bed. I've been letting him sleep with me, but I feel that's the wrong thing to do so he is in his crate tonight. I plan on keeping him in there at night since I'm not conform tabs with him in the bed now
    I'll pipe up because when we first got Rodney, he was 14 months, so he was much bigger and more ingrained in his behavior than a puppy, but seriously, pinning him seemed like it did nothing.  It was like he would just calm down like he was at the spa relaxing, and then once free, he was raring to go with even more fervor.  It didn't matter if someone pinned him for a few minutes or a few hours (he was never really pinned for an hour, just exaggerating).  He just went with the flow, went to his happy place, and then Bam! he was right back to his crazy place and terrorizing us like we had been living in a dream and the pinning never happened.

    Now, the best part:  That didn't last long at all.  It didn't seem like pinning worked, but it did.  Just keep pinning him.  Be consistent.  It will make you exhausted and convinced that your puppy will never be a good boy, but he will be.  It is brutal with these puppies.  We've all been there and the rewards are amazing.  Hang in there!

    Have you had a bull terrier before?  If not, this breed is unlike any other.  These dogs are so smart and they really believe they are the boss.  Yes, a tiny puppy is capable of thinking it can walk into your home and rule the place. 

    So sorry your husband got hurt so seriously.  Please encourage him to go get care if he needs it.  We've all learned the hard way with BTs, so he shouldn't feel badly or upset about it, just move on and keep up with disciplining his bad behavior and praising his good behavior.

    Now, something really important to ask:  How much exercise has the puppy been getting?  If he's in a crate while both of you are away at work all day, he's going to be wound up like a top.  He needs a ton of exercise and stimulation.  If  he doesn't get that and is alone the greater part of the day, that is probably not a good thing for these puppies.

  • You're both dedicating a lot of time and love to Jaws. Sorry for s short reply but I got injured and was at a hand surgeon today and I'm on my phone, so it's hard for me to type right now. I didn't want to wait until tomorrow though because it sounds serious about your husband getting bitten. It sounds like both of you are coordinating to be with him most of the day, including family. One thing I've grown to be more aware of is how sometimes dogs can communicate in ways that are invisible to us. Do you think Jaws might have gotten too stimulated by the people and dogs? Does he like tug toys?
  • He does like tug toys but he gets really aggressive with it. It seemed like he was having fun at the park. I don't know. I just need a good trainer or someone that could help me up here in Massachusetts
    You're both dedicating a lot of time and love to Jaws. Sorry for s short reply but I got injured and was at a hand surgeon today and I'm on my phone, so it's hard for me to type right now. I didn't want to wait until tomorrow though because it sounds serious about your husband getting bitten. It sounds like both of you are coordinating to be with him most of the day, including family. One thing I've grown to be more aware of is how sometimes dogs can communicate in ways that are invisible to us. Do you think Jaws might have gotten too stimulated by the people and dogs? Does he like tug toys?

  • I'll pipe up because when we first got Rodney, he was 14 months, so he was much bigger and more ingrained in his behavior than a puppy, but seriously, pinning him seemed like it did nothing.  It was like he would just calm down like he was at the spa relaxing, and then once free, he was raring to go with even more fervor.  It didn't matter if someone pinned him for a few minutes or a few hours (he was never really pinned for an hour, just exaggerating).  He just went with the flow, went to his happy place, and then Bam! he was right back to his crazy place and terrorizing us like we had been living in a dream and the pinning never happened.

    Now, the best part:  That didn't last long at all.  It didn't seem like pinning worked, but it did.  Just keep pinning him.  Be consistent.  It will make you exhausted and convinced that your puppy will never be a good boy, but he will be.  It is brutal with these puppies.  We've all been there and the rewards are amazing.  Hang in there!

    Have you had a bull terrier before?  If not, this breed is unlike any other.  These dogs are so smart and they really believe they are the boss.  Yes, a tiny puppy is capable of thinking it can walk into your home and rule the place. 

    So sorry your husband got hurt so seriously.  Please encourage him to go get care if he needs it.  We've all learned the hard way with BTs, so he shouldn't feel badly or upset about it, just move on and keep up with disciplining his bad behavior and praising his good behavior.

    Now, something really important to ask:  How much exercise has the puppy been getting?  If he's in a crate while both of you are away at work all day, he's going to be wound up like a top.  He needs a ton of exercise and stimulation.  If  he doesn't get that and is alone the greater part of the day, that is probably not a good thing for these puppies.



    We are having the same issue with Indica biting (trying to bite faces) and honestly pinning hasn't really helped. She's still trying to bite and I think a lot of it is her trying to play rough but Loki will not tolerate her hard bites and has gone after her a few times now and she's got a nick on her ear now from him. Pushing any bully on any occasion I've noticed just makes them bounce back with more terror lol. Obedience training helped Loki when he went through that stage and it helps your bond with them. Obedience training, lots of exercise/ play and chewy treats or toys. Remember a tired dog/puppy is a happy puppy. Take the pup for longer walks and more play tire the little guy out so he won't want to try to mouth you. Also I know both of my pups are very vocal so the growls might not indicate he's being aggressive, might just be him trying to play. With no litter mates and a mom that didn't want to have anything to do with them he was not taught bite inhibition.
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    From the very first day I got Prada she was never allowed to run free in the house as she pleases. She was either in the crate, play pen in the room we were in or walking in the house on the leash next to me. For outside, I used 15 feet leash to let her run free (or so she thought :) ). All that allowed me to control her behavior during that puppy stage at all times. Although she got my face couple of times, I was lucky to walk away with minor scratch. So, I stopped creating those situations and putting my face next to her, sitting down at her level, etc.  I tried the pining method, but it did not work for me personally and I felt it was destroying the trust. I was able to get quicker control of the negative situation and redirecting by using the leash.

    But just like everyone is saying, be consistent and patient, it is work and it is not easy to raise a well behaved dog. Best of luck to you!
  • Yep, there's been a few things that we've had different experiences than a lot of others, but for the most part, they are pretty predictable pups.

    After pinning Rodney, he never felt sad or shamed or guilty or chastised.  He was more like he appreciated the small break so that he could renew his energy to bite more.  :)  Over time, though, I do think it worked.  It worked for us in that it took away whatever he was interested in at that moment and gave us a chance to reinforce a command without distraction.  I do think these dogs are very smart and they will learn commands before long. 

    We've all heard people refer to something as more a marathon than a sprint.  Well, that's kind of how this felt.  It's quite a victory lap with a well-trained and well-behaved BT. 

    I've personally found the best exercise has been long and frequent walks that are one-on-one and on a harness.  Your dog will be heeling and eventually forced to realize you are in charge of the walk.  You will need to give the puppy time to get used to the routine.  At first, keep going on the same route.  Your puppy will want to explore every smell and every leaf and every lizard, but if you keep going on the same path, the scents will eventually become boring and they'll focus on the walk, taking your lead on how he should proceed.  Maybe it's possible the puppy is getting over-stimulated?  Maybe it's possible he really doesn't have even the slightest clue how to be a puppy since he didn't have litter mates?  I certainly don't know and can't advise about that, but the walking and pinning seemed to not work at all, and then, after about 3 months, everything just clicked.  I was no longer jealous seeing a dog prancing on a leash, my dog was doing that, like he was best in show in the ring.  Keep us posted on how things go today and tonight.
  • Love the picture of Loki and Indica.  When they go for the face, it is really upsetting and dangerous.  They are so quick, too, and those sharp teeth.  So Indica still going for Loki's face even after he nipped at her?  Geez, they are persistent with that biting for what seems like forever.
  • I think everyones missing something guys this puppy is 9 weeks old so alot of excersise is out of the question has jaws had all his jabs as u said u took him to a play park I'd stop any form of tugging game as it's just getting into that hyped zone which u don't want u want him to be in a calm state I wouldn't allow him on your bed as he will think he can become alfa as he grows u need to keep his mind stimulated treat balls r good my dogs play for hours I'd put him in his crate when u eat I do hope your husband is ok and got some stitches your lucky enough to have got him at a young age to sort this I don't think there's any new bully owners who haven't had probs with there bullies like this but they do grow out of it just hang in there x
  • Love the picture of Loki and Indica.  When they go for the face, it is really upsetting and dangerous.  They are so quick, too, and those sharp teeth.  So Indica still going for Loki's face even after he nipped at her?  Geez, they are persistent with that biting for what seems like forever.
    Thanks :) and yeah she still nips at Loki. She's very stubborn! Loki is very dominant and he likes to grab her by the back legs which she doesn't like ( I don't blame her) and she will turn around pissy and bite his face and that starts a fight. He also loves to eat his treats very fast so he can go steal hers and if she doesn't give it up that starts a fight.the other day at the beach everything was going fine but then Loki just went after her and got her ear. I didn't see what set that attack off so I'm not sure if she did something to instigate it or not. She is VERY nippy, she's constantly nipping hard on the backs of the legs/arms etc. we've tried yelping , pinning making her bite her own lip, bitter spray, shoving a toy in her mouth and nothing has worked so far. I'm hoping she grows out of it soon!


  • choobachooba Michigan / Missouri
    If u have the means, send the puppy to daycare while u are at work.
    1) it will wear him out
    -a good puppy is a tired puppy and when u bring him home the training sessions start.
    2) he will be around people who have alot of experience rearing puppies and they will
    Know how to adequetly address the issues in your absence then can relay to u the progress
    3) ....and this may be the most important. Puppies learn as children do. By observing adults. Being around other dogs will socialize him properly and expose him to the mannerisms and language / correction that only another dog can give, and these are things he needs to grow
    Mentally.

    You need to nip this immediately, the longer u wait, the harder the correction will be, and as ur puupy matures, their will be less outside help available as others will become intimidated.


    I guarantee this will work, and I guarantee in an area as large as Boston, u will have numerous daycare facilities to choose from.

    It's an investment that pays off ten fold from experience.......
  • Ask around your friends for fully vaccinated dogs for your pup to play with and learn from. 

    Daycare would be a great experience. I know my pup loves going there and I like that she is getting along with so many other dogs. But your puppy isn't fully vaccinated yet, so you must be picky where he goes. They won't even take puppies until they have finished vaccinations at the daycare that I use. I didn't take my pup to any parks until she was 4 months old and had all her shots. Parvovirus is quite prevalent here and it can live in the soil for years. I wasn't shy about making sure she only went into fenced yards that had no chance of strays and no history of parvo. Now I take her to daycare once a week and the dog park as often as I can. 

    My pup lost her mother at 5 wks of age so she didn't get the best start, either. When she was your pup's age she bit and attacked me when I told her "no". I have been lucky that my friends and their dogs have helped me with socializing. And I pinned her as advised here. It didn't work the first time, but it eventually did and I have not pinned her for biting in a long time. 

    When she didn't get away with something with me, she'd try it on my friends. Most have been willing to pin her or push her away and do as I ask to help teach her to be a good canine citizen. People who said "Oh I don't mind...." as my pup was jumping all over them weren't any help at all! 
  • Thank you everyone for the help and advice. I greatly appreciate it. Jaws starts puppy training next weekend and is having an eval with a behavioral trainer (who trains cop k-9's) on Tuesday. He got his shots yesterday so I'm looking nice to put him in daycare by next week for at least once a week. I'll update on his progress.
  • Doggie day care gives a "report card" every time I pick Birdie up. They always make me laugh. The boxes for "I had a nice nap!" and "I did my own thing!" are never checked.  Comments have been like this: "If Birdie ever sleeps, she should be really tired." 
  • I'm just going to pop in here real quick and say that you need to pump the brakes a little bit. Jaws is a puppy. There is nothing wrong with him. He's just a baby. And he happens to be a bull terrier.

    I thought my bull terrier was an aggressive monster too when she was little. The growls sounded so mean, nothing like I've ever heard from a puppy before. It is the breed. She bit me A LOT. It made me angry and though I never wanted to give her away, there were days I hated her. I did not use the pin method and do not plan to with any dog I will own. Pinning is used when dogs play and honestly I don't think some dogs will see it as punishment. You need to make Jaws see YOU are boss. Use two fingers to swat his nose. Roll up a newspaper to bop him. Curl his lips under his teeth and apply pressure...it will hurt and he will stop. Put him in time out - do NOT use his crate for timeouts. Use a bathroom or other small space that can be puppy proofed.

    I would also forget about the behavioral trainer too. Dogs personalities change so much over their first two years, so I think it's unfair to judge him at 9 weeks. He needs to be around dogs, not humans. Dogs will teach him how to behave. My dog was in daycare as often as possible from about 4-9 months. We also spent a lot of time at dog parks. Jaws needs to learn manners.

    At this point I don't think there's anything wrong with him. And I wanted to comment because one of the first things I ever tell people who are interested in bull terriers are that they are hard puppies. Really hard puppies. But if you do right by the dog and stick with it, it will be so rewarding. Anyone that reads this thread should know that.
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