Breeder / Pedigree Research for Precious
BulliesofNC
Richlands, NC
This discussion was created from comments split from: Too many snipey head Bull Terriers.
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Your pup has a nice wide muzzle which most like to see. The bottom jaw meets with the top so the whole muzzle looks correct.
Sophie actually has an overshot bite which is giving her that smaller pig jaw look. It kind of reminds me of a sharks mouth with the lower jaw further back. An undershot or underbite would actually make the muzzle look thicker. More people would prefer seeing an undershot vice an overshot because of the appearance to the muzzle. Sophie may have an overbite but it isn't real bad. I have seen a lot worse.
Now a days people want to see big heads, thick even muzzles, with nice cheekbones. Couple these features with slightly shorter nose and a nice roman style head. "The Football" look as they call it. A nice fat football.
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The last pedigree actually has me confused as well. This pedigree is actually what's called a Litter Certificate. AKC provides these as well for those breeders who wish to purchase one during the time of litter registration. One of the things that concerns me is the fact that your breeder provided you with the litter certificate obviously to show you the pedigree of both parents on one document. The litter certificate would almost mirror your puppies actual pedigree except it would obviously contain your puppy listed first with her registration number. Looking at this litter pedigree I can't help to notice that it appears aged with the folds in it as well as many creases. It also seems very strange that the top portion was cut off in the photo so that the litter date could not be seen. Might be just me but I'd speculate that this certificate is older than puppies. I also find it very odd that you still do not have the actual registration papers for your puppy which would at least tell you the names of the actual sire and dam. If your breeder has the Litter Certificate than they surely received the individual puppy registration papers.
According to the latest pedigree your breeder provided you they are stating that Activior
Enuff Alredi at Kilacabar is the sire of your puppy. Well this particular stud is 9 years old right now. The Dam, INFINATE DREAMS AT DARKRIN is actually older than the stud she was mated to. I'm not saying this is a phoney Litter Certificate but I'm confident it is many years old. Unless of course they bred a 9 year stud to an 10 or 11 year female.
I think your breeder is a bit shady and probably is good friends with the person you got your puppy from who has already been proven to be full of lies.
If you look back at the first pedigree that you provided which was supposed to be the Sires pedigree you may have noticed they deliberately cut off the photo where you can't even see the Sires name. With this said, there's no telling who'd pedigree this dog is for.
In short, I think you're getting played by a breeder who is providing bogus pedigrees. I'm willing to bet you'll never even see registration papers for your puppy because there most likely isn't any. If you are provided registration papers God only knows what parents are listed and who the TRUE parents really are.
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What is the reason why you do not have the registration papers for your puppy? In the event someone is claiming to have lost them you can always request that the breeder register the puppy for you which can be done online without any paperwork. There should be NO excuses why you can't obtain the registry papers in a timely manner or have your breeder register your puppy within minutes.
Sadly I think you're dealing with a scammer.
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Here's the contact information for the supposed Sire of your puppy:
Website: http://www.emred.co.uk/
Owner: Russell & Doreen Lamonby
Phone #: 01782 392021 or 01782 397121
Email: russ@lamonby99.freeserve.co.uk
Is this the ad where you found your puppy? - http://www.gumtree.com/p/dogs/four-stunning-english-bull-terrier-pups-from-emred-devils-advocate/1096198708
If this is the same litter that your puppy came from the add says they are KC registered?
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I know Russell and Doreen if he can help you he will where did you get puppy etc as I know a few show people in the breed who maybe be able to help
Best of luck also is there a bull terrier club in your area as if you contact them they will help you if they can as most bullie breeders are protective where there dogs go but there Is always someone trying to make money they sicken me
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I think in due time you'll conclude that the breeding was conducted by a deceitful breeder from two mystery Bull Terriers that were unregistered. It's best now to simply just love and respect the puppy for the good natured cute thing that she is.
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:-bd I'm just looking forward to seeing updated photos of Precious as she grows and matures.
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If you adopt, rescue, or buy a dog for less than thousands, and you find it on some pet finder or rescue site, one should probably not expect to have a fully registered champion bloodline dog. If you want a dog of that caliber, you have to pay for it and you have to be screened by the real breeder. It just doesn't happen the way you got Precious.
There's a saying, "You get what you pay for." If you pay less than two-five thousand BP or $$, you get a dog without papers or one with papers from a backyard breeder.
It is what it is. Do you love Precious? If so, then enjoy her and know that in the future if you want a champion sired dog, contact the real breeder of the champion dog and ask how much their puppies cost. Decide if you like the temperament and health of their dogs, then get on a list and start putting money away and get in line because it's going to be a while, maybe years before you'll be able to claim one. Expect to be bound by a contract of a reputable breeder of show dogs to demand that you feed them a certain diet or take them to a certain vet, etc. It won't be finding one of a pet finder site, hopping in a car and rushing to claim it.
With all due respect, it sounds like you found a BT cheaper than one that I've ever seen from a reputable bloodline. With a reduction in price, it usually means reduced quality or no papers. SMH
Why do you even need papers, really? If you're not showing her or breeding her, then you don't need papers. If you wanted papers and a registration, you should have had it in your hands before you exchanged money and drove off, no?
It is absolutely shameful if you've had those experiences. Whatever site allowed this to take place is a black eye on dog breeding and the welfare of dogs. Absolutely disgusting.
Your vet should be able to figure out which vaccinations to give to her to bring her up to speed. I know you will incur additional expenses for each shot, but it's worth it. Your vet will know (or should know) if it's okay to give Precious a particular vaccination, even if it's possible she might have had it in the past. Considering people were passing her around, it seems unlikely that they invested in even having her seen by a vet.
What has your vet said? Are you in the UK? I don't know which preventive medications are used there, such as Trifexis here, but do get her on a regimen to protect your current dogs and children. I'm sure you're already planning on doing that, so just saying that just in case.
If you only wanted the truth, isn't it sad that they had to try to spin the tale of her champion background? If they had just told you the truth, they should have told you since you're saying you wanted to adopt her as a pet, not a show dog or to breed. The truth is really hard for a lot of people. What the worst is when people lie when they don't even need to lie. If you weren't breeding her or showing her, then you really only needed her medical history. Maybe they'll confess and tell you the truth soon.
She is a beauty, and she sounds like a good pup that you're getting molded to fit in with the family without papers. That's better than a badly behaved dog with champion papers, as we all know.
This is a great place to share pictures and talk about how much you love her. We all love our BTs.
It's still a lot of money. If I asked you to burn that much money, we would all acknowledge it's a lot of money! Precious looks like a fine dog, and you got her for a good price, all things considered.
I love my rescue/adopt BT like he's a million-dollar-dog that I got for a steal. He's worth the million dollars to me, but I got lucky and the wonderful breeder chose us. It was a match made in heaven, and I'm hoping that you one day feel for Precious the way that I feel for Rodney. I've posted this picture before, but I'll do it here because I hope it shows just how much in love my entire family is with Rodney, and how much in love he is with us. He's family, and Precious is your family. One day soon, the nasty behavior of the people that had Precious before you will fade from memory. Precious will make sure that she fills your mind and memories, leaving no room for the other people that had a wonderful dog, but messed up and let Precious slip from their hands. That's how I feel with my baby Rodney. He's such a ham.
Good for you for getting them spayed. Hoping the time you have to wait for the vaccinations to be finished to get here soon so that you guys can get outside.
I have friends in various parts of England and they all seem to have had different experiences with BTs than I have. It's a different conversation for another day. Enjoy Precious and the joy she will bring to you.