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9 month old male, getting aggresive, bit my face and attacking feet. help!!!!!!!!

hello all, i no there are many posts here concerning aggresion in maturing bull terriers and im quite relieved to read that it is probably just a phase and Down to hormones but i also have another problem. my dog vinny is biting Our feet. if you are sat near him and so much as wiggle Your toes he goes stiff and then lunges, growling and biting. its the same reaction he has With the hoover. he goes mental. he also growls at my girlfriend and bit her foot the other day. he always acts so sorry afterwards and his ears are back and he hides under the table. its like his mind is forcing to do it against his will. most of the time he is loving and caring and loves cuddles but sometimes he gets this look in his eyes and im sure one day he will bite me, really hard.im praying its just his hormones as he is only 9 months. he was a grear dog before all this aggresion started. in every other way he knows i am boss. obedience is great, meal times there is no aggresion. he does everything i tell him. the aggresion only seems to surface when he is tired. he has my friends kids hanging off his neck and being rough With him and he doesnt care, its just certain times his Whole personality changes. i Guess i just need more reasurance that this will pass as he gets older

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  • BulliesofNCBulliesofNC Richlands, NC
    It sounds as though he has some form of OCD where he just isn't aware of his actions so it becomes difficult for him to hold back or resist his feelings of aggression and reactions every time he sees the wiggling of someones toes. In his mind he must be fixating the toes as moving varmints and desperately wanting to hunt them down with the same motivation that any Terrier would have that seen a mouse running loose outside in in a tool shed. Is it possible while as a puppy he was teased or provoked in a fun or cute way by wiggling toes and getting a reaction out of him? Sometimes negative behavior can be influenced or encouraged at an early age where it may have been seen as cute but later found to be problematic. I seen many people taking videos of their Bull Terrier Puppy chasing their tail non-stop while the owners are laughing in the background in an encouraging way and having no clue that this is a common form of OCD that can easily get out of control and become a serious health issue as the dog matures and creates a constant habit of tail chasing with no way to stop him from doing it.

    You're correct, there are many topics simular to this one of this forum and the suggestions for correction are what you'd want to do also for teaching him that his actions are not going to be tolerated. Be firm with him and get him to understand immediately that what he's doing is wrong.

    - Steve Gogulski
    "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
    www.bulliesofnc.com
  • As you mentioned the problem happens when he gets tired, did you mean he suddenly lunges up when he is sleeping? Because that would strongly remind me of SOA.

    Fancy, our former dog went through a phase of SOA as a youngster for a while. We did not know what that was at that time. And nothing serious ever happened, when she jumped up from her bed, lunging at my feet and then suddenly looking like startled by her own doing. We thought it was funny at that time and eventually it vanished.
    After all I know today, it's something I would definitely take care of in some way, if it happened to my dog today. Because to my knowledge it can be the sign of a mental problem.

    I'd probably have my dog evaluated by a dog trainer or a vet - or both.

    But even if you are not dealing with SOA, just the typical Bull Terrier cockiness, you should not accept this.
    Make sure your dog knows who makes the rules and that aggression is not being tolerated.

    Bull Terriers are very skilled in looking so miserable and sorry immediately after they have messed things up. 
    Don't get fooled by that and give in too soon. You don't need to be cruel to your dog. But consistency is key!
    This includes that any kind of punishment - like ignoring for example - should last long enough to leave an impression, discouraging your dog from wanting to repeat this situation.

    If he is under the impression that a quick "sorry face" makes up for everything, he sure will not stop this behavior.
    Biting is something serious that needs to be controlled, even if it starts as play. You may be able to handle it with your girl friend, but what about strangers or even kids.

    I don't know what you mean by him being obedient other than the biting.
    If you have not done it so far, maybe it's time for some obedience training, which will also help you to set rules, help him to get them and also help your overall communication.
    If you are already training him, it's even more important to make it crystal clear that in this situation he is doing something WRONG, just like Steve said.
  • edited October 2014





    For some reason my husband and I came to talk about this discussion again when Bully got invited into the bedroom for a round of cuddling and play this morning.

    He pointed out that a lot of behavioral problems result from misunderstandings, which is so true. But in order to live and deal with and train a dog, understanding their behavior often helps a lot.

    Some people are not aware of the fact that the dog’s body parts most closely representing hands are not his paws. It’s the mouth. Not only do they eat and bite with it. They use it to grab, hold, tear, fixate, examine … basically all the things humans use their hands for.

    Yesterday we watched the dogs playing in the dog park and laughed about how they grab and tug each other’s lips or grab each other’s ears and feet during play.

    Of course, this would not be funny and probably result in injury, if a dog did this to a human to that extend.

    But actually this explains why lunging at the face and face biting is sadly not such a rare event - either during play or as an act of aggression or defense.

    This is most dramatic for kids. As they are shorter than adults their faces usually are well in reach of a dog’s mouth for sudden “grabbing” for whatever reason.

    But “attacking" and using the mouth is still not a hostile act in every case. It can have a number of different reasons.

    There have been dogs seen grabbing kids near a busy street by the hip and dragging them away. As this “grip” resulted in some injury and the dog used his mouth, this got mistaken as an act of aggression. What the dog most likely was doing instead, was preventing the child from running into cars. 

    The dog is just behaving “natural”. What’s going wrong here is the human understanding of dog behavior and a huge lack of PREVENTION and management.

    Like in driving, you often have not only to act and react for yourself, but also anticipate what others will do in order to avoid accidents. This is especially true in Florida :)

    Understanding behavior, of course, is no reason to just accept that your dog is biting. But with this in mind it’s often possible to anticipate some of the situations and develop some tactics to avoid the behavior in the first place. 

    Or just manage the dog in critical situations and not leave it up to him, if he chooses to behave or not.

    For example, we tell everyone who wants to pet Djamila please NOT to bend over her, but rather kneel down in front of her. Because we know about the energy of the Bull Terrier and how hard it is for them sometimes to curb their enthusiasm.

    As much we teach her not to go up on people, we can NEVER be 100% sure that her nature will never break through and cause her to ignore the rules, lunge up in joy to greet someone and cost him teeth.

    Understanding behavior, anticipation, dog training, prevention AND management are ALL part of life with a dog as a responsible owner. 

    Also it enhances chances of catching your dog in the act and turning this into a lesson.
    Your dog needs to understand that humans are not dogs and that behavior that may be appropriate among dogs it not appropriate with humans.

    Luckily dogs are so eager to learn, it fascinates me over and over. 
    It’s up to us to teach them OUR right and wrong.

  • This in a way reminds me of my boy Thor. He used to be 'normal'. We used to have him sleep in our bed with us. Then suddenly one night about 4 months ago out of nowhere he went crazy. It was pitch black and all I knew was that he was thrashing around on the bed and making really vicious dog fighting noises. He was at my husbands feet at the time. My husband got up and turned the light on, and Thor was just sitting there like normal. So we went back to sleep but literally about 30mins later Thor did the same thing again this time latching onto my husbands arm but instantly bite inhibition kicked in thankfully so there was no harm done but we were of course really shaken. He has slept in the kitchen ever since that night just to be careful. Also ever since that night he is very jumpy when he is sleeping.Not really during the day though, only really at night. If he falls asleep at our feet when we're on the couch, and one of us shifts our weight or stands up or something he will jump up, barking, hackles right up and put his head really close to our body but he's never bitten us. If Asher is sitting or sleeping near him when this happens he will sometimes attack her. If he falls asleep in his bed (which is half of a crate - no top or door) and you bump it he goes berzerk in a similar way. He barks whenever there is bell or whistle noises on the tv. He's always been terrified of spray bottles. He is absolutely OCD when he plays with his ball (he holds another object in his mouth and paws the ball around all day long - seriously, our girl is on heat and all he cares about is his ball). It's been very scary at times but throughout this time we're learning how to deal with it and we're just hoping that this is only going to be a hormonal phase. We have for a while been considering bringing in a behaviouralist, but we're worried they will either mis-diagnose or do nothing useful and essentially just be a huge waste of money.
  • Thanks djammy U SAID IT RIGHT. I WAS WRONG I thought miss was playing ROUGH and I realized SHES PLAYING. I you tubed bull terrier fighting a bull I believe I think its n Spanish BUT THAT BULLIE WAS HAVING A BALL ON THE FACE OF THAT BULL....I don't like dogs fighting BUT IVE YOUTUBED EVERYTHING I CAN ON BULL TERRORS so I can understand more. Missy dog is A GREAT TEACHER. SHES PERFECT FOR ME.
  • Just read through this older thread...Maya has been having strange fits lately. She will be on the couch with me, sleeping at my feet. I will move my leg or do something to wake her and she jumps up growling and charging. It's really startling so I yell and she snaps out of it, but it's pretty scary. Never heard her growl like she does.
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    Is it only when she wakes up? Does she dream (nearly all Bullies do, and shudder and shake while doing so).  These "changes" are almost always emotionally based... what's happened in her life recently ?? (Bearing in mind that Bullies are very sensitive to change).
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • edited October 2015
    Yes it's only when she wakes up, no dreams I notice but she does seem to be very deep in sleep. Nothing has changed that I can think of?
  • Sounds like Sudden Onset Aggression (SOA). This is a neurological problem in bullies but there are things you can do to make both of your lives easier. My dog does not have this so I can't offer any first hand tips, but you may want to look around this forum or online for what others have experienced and done.
  • BulliesofNCBulliesofNC Richlands, NC
    There have been several posts on this subject before in the past with 99% of them relating to a Bull Terrier in their adolescent stages. Bull Terriers from the ages of 6 - 18 months old can go through many different dominance and aggression issues. SOA is a hard thing to diagnose because MANY dogs of all types react poorly when woken from a deep sleep which shouldn't be mistaken for SOA. Most grow out of it with maturity.


    - Steve Gogulski
    "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
    www.bulliesofnc.com
  • Yeah, I don't think it's SOA. She's very skiddish even when awake. A rustling chip bag, or loud noise sends her running away. Maybe I will just have to buy Maya her own couch  ;))
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