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Sudden aggression towards family dog

edited February 2014 in Bull Terrier Character
Hi All. I have a bullterrier spayed female that is 3 yrs old and she is suddenly very aggressive towards my spayed foxterrier that is 6yrs. They always played very well together with no problem and the suddenly this morning the bullie started attacking her for no reason. The foxy was so scared she jumped in my car which she never does. I had to seperate them this morning to avoid a burial when I got hom this afternoon. Very early this morning they were both lying on the bed with me and then an hour later they cant stand each other. I have a male bullterrier as well that is 11yrs old but he doesnt care about anything except his food and bed. Any advice?

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  • SO a new development................. When I got home I put them together again as I thought they calmed down by now and maybe it was just excitement. The foxy didnt walk 5 feet when my bullie attacked her, splitting her ear and biting her leg. I am dumbstruck. I have no idea what could have caused this sudden behaviour change
  • BulliesofNCBulliesofNC Richlands, NC
    edited February 2014
    I would have discipled her so much the first time she showed aggression to the other dog tht she'd be scared to get out of line again. It shocks me she'd do this in front of you knowing she's going to get in trouble for it unless the punishment for her behavior is mild or weak. Very odd that the two dogs were good companions for 3 years and suddenly the EBT develops aggression and negative temperament issues. I'm confident she's already known she was the alpha and it doesn't sound like the Fox Terrier has been challenging her on that.
    If she's going after her right away with viciousness there had to have been a cause. The problem is she's now focused on continuing her pursuit to attack her.
    You may also want to ensure your Bull Terrier is not in any pain which could be setting her off. EBT's can get very moody when they are feeling discomfort. Something as simple as an ear infection can put them on edge.
    I think it's due time you become more strict with her and the way she's punished for her behavior. She's obviously not fearing the repercussions of her actions from you.
    You could also invest into an electric training collar. There are several discussions on the forum that talk about the positive results from using a shock collar.
    Please keep us posted on her behavior.

    - Steve Gogulski
    "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
    www.bulliesofnc.com
  • The problem is I didn't see her this morning only after I came home. She was disiplined after the insident. And they are together now and they are fine together. But I noticed when I am alone with them they are fine but as soon as someone else joins us she gets a bit rough with the foxy for some reason. Weirdest thing of all te foxy was always the dominant one in certain situations. When the foxy lies in the doorway my bullie will not come in and bark at me until I call the foxy away so she can enter. It is extremely weird behaviour for my bullie. She is extremely well behaved and as soon as I yelled at her during the insident she backed off. I don't know if it maybe jealousy. My bullie always played rough with her but my foxy was always able to handle herself. I thought that maybe my bully is trying to become dominant now. She is acting like a typical teenager me me me
  • edited February 2014
    Never forget our breeds origin. I'm not saying this has anything to do with it as most are fine. I do agree with BulliesofNC's suggestions.
  • I have a MBT who's been showing some aggression, and I even thought it might be SOA (I'll update my post on the topic about SOA later on), so now we are working on identifying if his aggression is really a psychiatric problem or if it is just a really really bad behavioral issue. So far, thank goodness, everything points at behavioral issues.

    Having said that, I'd like to ask BulliesofNC what did he mean by "I would have discipled her so much". The reason why I ask that, is because I many times don't know just how to discipline Otto the right way. Sometimes I think I am being too harsh, but then I remember that is a powerful and stubborn breed.

    So if it isn't asking for too much, let's suppose one of your teenage dogs lunged at you, or maybe bit you without drawing blood, how would you discipline him. It may sound like I am asking for a "Disciplining your bully for dummies (who don't yet have a shock collar)" step-by-step kind of thing, but that's because that's just what I think I need.

    Thanks a lot for any help!
  • BulliesofNCBulliesofNC Richlands, NC
    @LittleOtto - As you probably already figured out, Bull Terriers can be very stubborn at times especially when they are in the puppy or adolescent stages. However, they are very smart and quickly figure out what they can get away with. in the event they figure out the repercussions for bad behavior are weak they will continue misbehaving. One of the great things about the breed is the fact they want to please their owners. They do NOT enjoy scoldings and discipline where they know they have upset their owner. Many will agree that a Bull Terriers actually display shame, guilt, and sorrow. One thing for sure though, they need strict discipline so the message of their behavior is very clear. If you read some of the posts under "Bull Terrier Training and Obedience" you will note that one of the most effective ways to disciple a Bull Terrier is the "Pin" method. I've actually explained this method is detail on a few past discussions which I'm sure you find.
    The chances of an adult Bull Terrier lunging at his owner to bite would be very rare. In the event it happened it would be because the Bull Terrier had a serious temperament problem either brought on by improper raising, neglect, or genetic fault. However, the chances of a puppy or adolescent Bull Terrier getting out of hand and showing aggression or dominance isn't too rare especially if that dog was never disciplined properly. So you understand, I don't consider a Bull Terrier to reach maturity as an adult until around 24 months of age. Some might mentally mature around 18 months but it would be rare to see a relaxed well mannered Bull Terrier that's listens well under 12 months of age. On average the most difficult time frame for raising a Bull Terrier is often from 6 months to 14 months of age. 
    In the event I had a Bull Terrier lunge at me with aggression (for any reason) I would immediately grab him or her and "PIN" him on the ground. I would ensure I had him laying flat on his side while I held him by the neck. If need be I'd be putting my weight down on him to ensure he couldn't muscle his way out or provide him with the sense that his struggle is productive. the objective isn't to hurt him but to "Submit" him. It's actually something that dogs recognize as any animal would. While I had him pinned to the ground I would be yelling "NO" and saying things like "THAT'S BAD!" I would hold him to the ground until he remained there motionless, thus the result of submission. Once I released him I would tell him to "Go Away, you're BAD!" 90% of the time you'll notice an immediate change in his posture and attitude. I'm sure you'll then notice the guilt and shame look and chances are he'll be trying to slowly come to you in hopes of gaining your love and affection. This is when you need to remain strict and stern so he quickly realizes his actions made you mad and his actions won't be tolerated. Yes, he might act out later in the day or the next day but this is when you react quickly with the same method.
    Bull Terriers are a tough breed of dog and they have a high pain tolerance. Hitting them to cause pain is senseless and I don't recommend it with any any dog. Instead of trying to cause pain you'll have better luck with a slap on the butt or on the snout with a loud of "NO" which is affective because it startles them and they realize they did something wrong. It kind of works on the same principles as those who train with shock collars which aren't used to cause pain but to startle and alert them every time they misbehave.
    In short, you need to be the ALPHA and your Bull Terrier needs to know it in order for him or her to take heed to the do's and don'ts that you enforce.

    - Steve Gogulski
    "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
    www.bulliesofnc.com
  • That's a very good answer, thank you Steve for making it really clear to understand. Further to that, when you say -  "This is when you need to remain strict and stern so he quickly realizes
    his actions made you mad and his actions won't be tolerated." I've got two questions:
    1. How long after pinning him do you 'make up' with him and in what way?
    2. What if he doesn't 'go away' but tries to suck up to you straight after pinning him? How do you insist that he leaves or do you just ignore him and go about your business?
    I guess that's more like four questions sorry..I just want to be really effective with disciplining him.
    Thanks!
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    edited February 2014
    Let me try and grab those, Steve must be tuckered after all that typing.... You pin him only as long as it takes him to recognize that he is "submitted" ... After a while you will see that, as soon as you pin him, he "admits " he is wrong.... When they haven't learnt they'll squirm and buck to try and prove they had every right. .... Wrong answer. Similarly, as they learn they will "ask for forgiveness" quicker and quicker... Always ignore it and ( what I do is)wag your finger and say " BAD BOY" ( Sometimes bad GIRL, but not so often)... In a stern voice.... And you'll be forgetting it almost as fast as he does. As Steve says, they are desperate for approval ..... You're going to see it works well and he will respond in the quality fashion that ALL bullies do.
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • Thanks heaps! That's really good info. After writing my last comment I read through "female bullying other dogs" and saw that my questions had already been answered. Sorry for the repetition.
    I guess what I've learned is that the main idea is to understand the act of pinning your dog and then after letting them go just move on in a natural manner. Though I will remain stern afterwards to reinforce the message of my displeasure about his actions.
  • Thx guys. These two are best friends again. Seems my bully was playing a bit rough with the foxterrier. They always play by tugging at each other ears but seems the excitement was too much and she played abit rough
  • @BulliesofNC , Thanks a lot! Thankfully, I guess I was doing it right, maybe not for enough time though. I'd always pin Otto down until he stops moving, but most of the time, even though he's almost paralyzed when I let him go, he springs back up right after I let go. A work in progress I suppose... (me and the wife, not Otto!lol)
  • Hi, i have JRT 2 years and EBT 7 months 2 boys , a few time my dogs fight very hard 2 times JRT hurt EBT and 1 time EBT hurt JRT, you need to find pré fighting comportment for separate your dogs before the fight. If the dogs begin the fight you need to separate with intimidate voice and shake your dog. you can utilized electric collar   i have one and he make a good job. All time my dog is fighting,  my girlfriend miss bad comportment. The last fight my girlfriend had very scare.  The JRT have no scare,he fight like a daemon,i need to check EBT an JRT post fight. don't forget you are the master.
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    edited March 2014
    Well, to be honest Mack, it doesn't sound like you are the Master if your dogs are fighting like this. I have owned JRTs and EBTs and Jack Russell's can be real little shits, and they think they are the master most of the time. You have to stop the confrontations B4 they get out of hand and you find one dog's eye lying on the floor. No aggression can be tolerated.
    I am not saying don't be equipped to handle a fight, but you must create an environment where they know that fighting WILL NOT be tolerated, so that ALL family members can live in peace and contentment.
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • philsergeant  i don't tolerate any aggressive comportment  with my dog 
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