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edited January 2014 in General
Hello from PA. My name is Heida and I am new here. I was recommended to join the group and I am hopeful I will be able to gain as much knowledge as I can in order to train our Bully to be the best she can be for our family.
I am sad to say that we bought our girl from a breeder who obviously didn't care about the formalities and morals of taking the proper care of their dogs. However after 9 months we have ggrown quite attached to Kenzie and since I am a SAHM I will be doing the majority and ongoing of the training. Mckenzie (kenzie) is now 9 months and is deaf, has an ear that doesn't stand up completely, skin allergies, a urine issue that started after we had her fixed and a constant ear infection. Despite all these issues we love her and want to be her only home. It's quite amusing to say the least because our youngest daughter who is 3.5 is deaf and my husband hearing impaired as well. :) She fits right in. I have never been around this breed of dog and although my husband has worked for the humane league,rescued many dogs, she is definitely one of a kind. I do not regret getting her. I've trained her with a few hand signals. Sit, spin,lay down, shake. They were cute for a while but as she gets older she needs to have boundaries and she definitely lacks them when she dashes across the floor and bounces off the couch and against a Window or practically throws herself down the stairs past us to play. We still crate her. I'd love to have her out like our other dog Rosco (chihuahua)but she has been showing dominance towards him..Although he growls and then bites at her. Mckenzie has pinned him down three diff times by the neck. It's aggressive however I wouldn't blame her because he's going after her. I just don't want it to progress. I was told to start the PIN method whenever she starts the dominance with anyone or anything. That's a start. However I also would like to actually train her to stay,and wait for other commands. To not put her awful bone in my face and to have boundaries like we teach our children. She has taken up the art of jumping the 4 foot fence to the side of us over to see the little dog next door. We are now at odds with our neighbor because she's afraid Kenzie will attack her dog..i hate to say but I don't know if she will. I refuse to get rid of her because of her issues. I just need some guidance in how to continue the process with her. I apologize for the novel.. just getting a little overwhelmed with the ordeal. Thanks in advance :)
"Work for a cause, not applause. Live life to express, not impress. Don't strive to make your presence noticed, just make your absence felt"

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  • Btw: I didn't mean we crate kenzie all day. I meant I'd love to keep her out during the day if we are gone or out at night in our bed.
    "Work for a cause, not applause. Live life to express, not impress. Don't strive to make your presence noticed, just make your absence felt"
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    edited January 2014
    You are very much welcome here and we hope you feel at home with all us Bullie Lovers that experience, to one degree or another, all the tribulations that you are. They are all typically Bullie.
    It may be a little late on the floppy ear but no harm in trying to follow the threads on ear taping... (but you may not want to distract her with all the other priorities you will be enforcing). The first thing is apparently food.... What are you feeding her?  Did you read up on all the nutrition strings? The "running in the house" thing, showing dominance and general disobedience, are all issues you can and will work out with a firm hand and persistence.  There are many discussions on various disciplinary methods and requirements and once you have read them all to see which best match and suit your little girl, please get specific with your details of how you are instituting and what response you are getting so we can all help.  The biggest thing is not to get overwhelmed, which is easier said than done... because remember, especially with the deafness, she reads and responds to your emotions more than your actions.... So keep everyone in the family on the same page, (mixed messages don't help), take a deep breath, get ready for 6 months hard work, and pretty soon you'll have a much healthier and well behaved Bullie.  The yeast infections (surface ear) are typically diet and you can treat them with Remicin if you can get it, or Zymox, until you get the diet under control.  Deep clean her ears frequently too, there are ear cleaning liquids at Petco, whatever.  Please send pictures and stories.
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • We have been feeding her lower grade food-Purina, but I will gladly take ANY suggestions in giving her food. I am not a stickler with this one, I was just using it for our Chihuahua who has NEVER had any health issues and has been just fine--however, with that being said, I know all dogs are different.

    We have a 6 year old (on the Autism Spectrum) and a 3.5 year old who is deaf, so you can imagine that chaos with them and this little girl. But, I know that we can all become on the same page. I just avoid having the girls alone with her at all cost because I don't want them teasing her and confusing her, especially since she is hearing impaired. We typically point at her when she is doing something wrong and she stops and look at us. If she is bad, my husband used to smack her butt but we BOTH know that is not going to help her it's more aggressive forming. (please don't think less of that) I am all for any different discipline measures so by all means have a go and tell me what any of you have done.

    In regards to the aggressiveness with our Rosco, they have a love hate relationship. He is almost 6 and getting weird at his older age and she is very excited and hyper and just wants to play ALL THE TIME.. so he gets annoyed, snaps at her and growls and she reacts. I'm assuming she is just retaliating to his initial go at her. But, I don't want either of that.

    We have taken her to the vet a few times and we have her on Ceruclean ear cleanser and Remicin like you mentioned.
    In regards to her ear, it was standing up for a while but than it bent as you can see in the first picture of her. The other ones are when she was a little younger.

    With ALL that being said that seemed negative.. she is gentle and it makes me laugh when she just plops her big butt on me, or when she she intentionally sits on Rosco just to get him going.. or when she wraps her legs around my leg to play. (Not humping..)

    Thank you for your help and I will be on the look out for any information you provide.
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    "Work for a cause, not applause. Live life to express, not impress. Don't strive to make your presence noticed, just make your absence felt"
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    edited January 2014
    Bullie are very different in terms of just about everything when compared to other dogs.  You need to get her on a good, grain free food. See:   http://www.bulliesofnc.com/BTforum/categories/bull-terrier-nutrition-and-diet plus supplements.   The Love / Hate thing you talk about are really just the Bullie's rambunctious play.... they will nip and dominate until they are taught it's wrong. Bullies DO need a swat on the rump  (they don't really do "the sit down and talk thing" well)  We used a rounded wooden spoon when they were younger, now we just need take it out of the drawer and they stop what they already know is wrong.  And pinning for more serious offenses, or both.
    Know that what you are experiencing is pretty "normal".... for Bullies.... With the kids they can be a problem if their taunting or playing is taken by the Bullie as being a real invitation to play, cause they play rough when they are young.
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • That made me laugh. I agree, sitting down and talking doesn't work at all. I'll just go along with what my husband does then.
    I also just posted into the diet section, and am going to try the chicken and rice combo. That will be a nice mix up for her.

    Thank you for your help :)
    "Work for a cause, not applause. Live life to express, not impress. Don't strive to make your presence noticed, just make your absence felt"
  • BulliesofNCBulliesofNC Richlands, NC
    @ITZheida - It's obvious Kenzie is in great hands with you and simply by you reaching out for advice with her proves how much you care about her. Phil provided you with some excellent advice.
    My opinion is that you need to immediately get her on a better diet as stated by Phil. That Purina is pure garbage and will only cause problems for her. I'm confident you will see huge improvements by getting her on a good grain free food. Please take the time to read my recommendations on proper nutrition: http://bulliesofnc.com/bull-terrier-nutrition
    I don't think it's too late for you to train that one ear to stand correctly either. It appears to be strong enough to train again in order to get it to stand correctly.
    I noticed also that you are providing bones for your dogs. Often bones can cause them to become very defensive and lead to a fight in order to protect their bone. I encourage you to provide them bones while they are in their kennels especially if they have a tenancy to be aggressive with each other.
    Smacking her butt from time to time will actually get her attention and I'm not against it as it will at least send a message to her as to your disapproval of her behavior. My Bullies are quick to realize when I give them a swat that I'm upset and they adjust accordingly. It's not done to afflict pain, and a Bullie wouldn't be fazed by it much anyway, but more to catch their attention and have them focus on You and what your telling or instructing them. Regardless how you discipline your BT as long as she understands your displeasure she will learn to adjust her behavior to keep from getting in trouble. Unfortunately at her age right now swatting her rump won't have much effect as she will convince herself that this form of punishment is weak and continue being bad knowing the repercussion isn't very bad. The pinning method will work much better. Also, especially since she's deaf, you may wish to try an electronic collar.
    Keep us posted on your progress.

    - Steve Gogulski
    "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
    www.bulliesofnc.com
  • She is a beautiful little one! Welcome to the forum. As Phil said, get her off that crap Purina and onto an entirely grain free diet. Get her some Grizzly Salmon Oil (one squirt per day in her food) and a good vitamin supplement (it appears that Nu-Vet is the preferred with most of us). That will most likely take care of any allergic reactions and skin problems.

    Phil is correct that our eggheads are hard boiled eggheads. They do need a firm hand and need to know early on who is the pack leader (you). As an example, our Maya knows it's me and she bows to my every command. But, I work out of the country for up to 90 days at a time. So, when I am gone she wants to push the boundaries with my wife and daughters.

    I am not as expert on these wonderful dogs as others. But I do know that, again as Phil said, they can seem to be showing overly aggressive behavior when it is really nothing more than play. Remember, they are strong dogs from the start, one big muscle, and to be cliche "they do not know their own strength".

    Jumping the fence to get to the other dog....that would be something to be remedied as soon as possible in my opinion. Although I suspect that Kenzie just wants to play with the other dog, getting onto another's property can present some serious consequences even is it is just that....play. Most people are completely ignorant to this breed and I suspect your neighbor is one of them. So, my advice would be to get that issue resolved ASAP.

    Again, others will chime in here with their opinions and advice. Enjoy your little girl....they are special for sure!
  • We had a problem with our female BT, Willie.  We used the pin system.  She was a little brat when younger, and at times we thought we would never break her.  Now, with a litter still in the house (7 weeks) Willie can be in her pen and she will go into aggressive mode in the front of her (male dogs walk past her pen), but her tail is wagging.  Like it's part of play, but assertive she wants out of the pen.  Look at her eyes and even though she is barking mean, her eyes are full of love.

    Good luck with your bully.  They are worth all the work.

  • What do you mean when you say you give her commands to spin?? She's awsome by the way congrats on your new furkid!!! My Cleo also has urinary incontinance and I give her a pill a day of proin to help with the leaking urine. Its fairly cheap and it helps tighten her bladder muscles to prevent the leakage. Welcome to the forum you will find it most helpful with a lot of bullie experts that would love to help you. Stay calm when training she WILL feel your every emotion.
    Your actions speak so loudly I cannot hear your words.
  • She's really cute!  What part of PA?  I'd be concerned about the fence issue, because if she's deaf, the neighbor won't be able to call her off in the event the two dogs have a conflict.  The consequences wouldn't be fun.
  • So many things!
    I will pick up some grain free food and mix with also with a cup of chicken and egg. I'll also pick up that salmon oil and nu-vet vitamin supplement. I'm eager to see the difference.

    I plan on getting a shock collar, I was weary of it but with the fence issue I'm going to have to. The woman next door has an extremely loud dog and the only reason Mckenzie acknowledges the dog is because the dog jumps up as well. It's not like Kenzie can hear her, its just she sees her. I want to avoid any potential issues as well.
     
    I taught her to spin by circling my hand. When I give her a treat in the kitchen, I point in front of me and she comes, my hand out flat to sit, I circle my hand for her to spin, she lays down and then I give her the treat. She's always so eager to do it she jumps right into the circling. :)

     Leslie, we as well give her a pill for the urine incontinence ( phenylpropanolamine) daily. It works wonders.

    I am located in Lancaster county, in Marietta along the river.
    "Work for a cause, not applause. Live life to express, not impress. Don't strive to make your presence noticed, just make your absence felt"
  • BulliesofNCBulliesofNC Richlands, NC
    That circling is not good. Many BT's that have stress and anxiety issues will spin or chase their tail. It's definitely not something you want to encourage your bull Terrier to do. Otherwise, you just might start seeing her doing it more and more on her own and become a bad habit. Look up "spinning" or "tail chasing." It's a disorder and although cute to see the first couple times when they're puppies it's something you don't want them to do.

    - Steve Gogulski
    "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
    www.bulliesofnc.com
  • Careful with the spinning its an ocd that is hard tocorrect if she starts doing it out of bordom but as long as she is not fixated or tail chasing. Just an fyi. Where did you get her if you don't mind my asking?? And you may find the salmon oil cheaper online.
    Your actions speak so loudly I cannot hear your words.
  • Steve beat me to it!!!!
    Your actions speak so loudly I cannot hear your words.
  • They really are a cute pair of pups.  Thanks for posting the pictures, they make me smile looking at them.  The forum is great, and this is the perfect place to get expert advice and friendly encouragement.

    One of my sons goes to college in PA, and he still hasn't adjusted to the cold, lol.  Looking at the news report of the extreme weather, hope you and everyone else is staying warm.
  • Welcome!! There's so much info here and everyone has experience and the help is awesome!
  • http://pound4poundbullterrierbreedersofpa.com/

    I was hoping no one would ask because I really wanted to avoid buying from a "backyard breeder". However, even with her issues I do not regret bringing her into our family.  Both parents were on site and very nice, but I can tell that she isn't up to standards with ones you would buy from a reputable breeder like Bullies of NC. The breeder sold her to us less than the others..and Im assuming its because she had a hearing impairment. He didn't inform us of that--I found out later and of course would never give her up, just had it out with him that he was so irresponsible. However, it was our responsibility as well to be a little more picky with finding a Bull Terrier as well..but either way, I am happy we have her.

    Also, I will definitely work on the circling. I do see her chase her tail sometimes, but its not consistent. I think she gets overly excited and spins in front of me for the treat, but if you tell me that isn't good then I will work on that too.

    Oh yes, I also taped her ears with the female product that you recommended in the Youtube video!
    "Work for a cause, not applause. Live life to express, not impress. Don't strive to make your presence noticed, just make your absence felt"
  • Oh yeah, I found everything from the oil, and food on Chewy.com
    "Work for a cause, not applause. Live life to express, not impress. Don't strive to make your presence noticed, just make your absence felt"
  • edited January 2014
    If she's interested in her tail absolutly put a stop to it now!!!! My male used to do this and become extremely aggressive NOT GOOD!!! good luck with the ears!! And I understand your hesitation with naming the breeder as I was as well however its breeders like this that need to be put a stop to. By you letting others know it will hopefully get word out so others aren't taken advatage of. We love cleo and brutus as well and wouldn't give them up for nothing but it still doesn't make it right.
    Your actions speak so loudly I cannot hear your words.
  • She's a beautiful girl! And as far as the backyard breeder goes, just look at it like a life lesson, she is going to teach you everything you need to know about EBT's and even more. People just get so excited over this breed that they are easily fooled and quick to grab a pup. I'm sure we've all had a similar expericance and grew from it.
  • I like how on the website they state "All of our puppies are health checked at the buyer's request"
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    Yeah! That's like saying; "Made in America, unless we feel like making them in China."
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • Chewy.com<<< good people, you can set up auto-ship with them. That's where we get a lot of our stuff for Maya.
  • BulliesofNCBulliesofNC Richlands, NC
    So much for the BAER test. But to be honest the breeders knew this puppy was deaf at around 3-4 weeks of age. I understand that genetic disorders could pop up on any litter but what gets me is when breeders hide these health issues and continue to make full efforts to SELL them for as much as they can get. The hope is always that the new owners will fall in love with a cute little puppy, get attached to it after taking it home, and accept any and all medical issues that may arise. Most people with big hearts would feel terribly guilty for giving back any puppy for health problems after they got attached to it. Yes, they might realize they got ripped off by the breeder but that doesn't prevent the valid attachment and love they developed with their puppy that they couldn't fathom giving up for any reason. Unfortunately breeders realize the probability of this happening if they keep their mouth shut about any health issues is likely to occur. The problem with this is the mere fact that the breeders ethics won't change because he or she has never been held accountable for their deception and blatant robbery.
    My recommendation would be to conduct two things:
    • Contact the breeder and tactfully explain to them that after gaining ownership of their puppy and falling in love with the breed, they have conducted a little more research on the breed and made some discoveries about their own Bull Terrier that you feel warrants their attention. For starters you could explain that the health issues within your puppy should have been clearly identified by you and your veterinarian. Your puppy's health issues were no mystery to you as a breeder and yet you pursued the aspect of "Selling him or her" with the intent to profit vice find the perfect home for a puppy with health issues. Doing such a thing is like rolling the dice in hopes the owner will work with the disabilities vice give up and drop the puppy off at a shelter and chock the whole puppy purchase up as a loss. In the event the breeder wishes to play the "stupid" act as though they had no idea the puppy was deaf or had any other health issue this would be a good time to remind them the importance of genetic testing which starts with the parents. I would not hesitate to ask the breeder to be refundable a percentage of the sale of the puppy based on the fact you did NOT get a healthy puppy as advertised and promised. A deaf BT puppy should not be sold but adopted out to a home to someone that is willing to work with the puppy and invest the time and effort into training it with the challenges that come with the disability. In the event the breeder wants nothing to do with compensating you I would let them know that you feel the situation warrants the attentions to AKC so they can record the incident. This will flag AKC that there may be a problem breeder existing within their club and authenticity of the complaint is verified simply because you have registered the puppy and ownership of the puppy is verified. In the event future complaints were made the breeder would be banned preventing future litter registrations and hurting their reputation. In the event the breeder cared about their reputation they would surely appease your request for compensation on a puppy that fell short in the areas of health and proper genetics.
    • I would highly encourage the incident to be reported to AKC. People don't realize the impact this has on breeders. AKC won't put much thought or involvement into calls and complaints from people talking bad about breeders. However, a complaint from a owner of a puppy which is registered in their name through AKC that's related to the breeder in which they received their dog will get FULL attention. AKC won't call the breeder and inquire either. What they will do is keep the report private and record the incident. They may even plan a surprise inspection conducted on the breeders dogs, facility, and records. In the event other complaints came in from other puppy owners the breeder would in fact be banned from AKC thus preventing others from being ripped off.

    These are my suggestions and I encourage you to put some thought into doing right not only for yourself but for others down the line that will be receiving a puppy from the same breeder in hopes of getting a healthy puppy. This isn't about stirring up trouble but preventing the breeder from thinking they got away with what they did and helping the next guy from going through what you did.



    - Steve Gogulski
    "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
    www.bulliesofnc.com
  • Steve is far better with words than I and gives great detail!!! Well said Steve!!
    Your actions speak so loudly I cannot hear your words.
  • Yes. Yes. And yes. I agree. I had no problem telling him that I was displeased. We were eager to bring one into our home. Either way this def teaches us what to look for. I dont think i will get any other breed though..I'm sold with her clownish ways and eagerness to please.

    I will definitely look into reporting to the AKC.
    "Work for a cause, not applause. Live life to express, not impress. Don't strive to make your presence noticed, just make your absence felt"
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    @ ITZheida.... " female product" that's cute... Just remember... No matter what reservations you might feel now... You will be able to love your Bullie into being the most well behaved, best condition dog you ever knew... Bullies can rise to the potential of the degree of love that you invest...she will never disappoint !
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
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