Unsupervised Breedings
I have an interesting story for you. A friend of mine was looking for a stud for her female. She used to breed bull terriers years ago and someone told her about me. I dont have a stud for her so I told her I would help her find the right dog. I found her a few different studs in Washington. One person she found on her own she liked the looks of the stud alot. The stud fee was 600. The people with the stud told her to drop off her female and pick her up about a week later. She asked me about it and I said thats fine but to make sure they supervise the dogs 24/7 and get a photo evidence that the two dogs have successfully bred. When she asked the breeder about this the breeder replied this way "I dont know if the last dog got pregnant or not, I don't watch them I prefer to give them some privacy." My friend replied that she would like to be present for any times that the dogs were to be bred. The breeder replied back "I dont have time for that, so she can stay and they can be together for about a week." My friend said she wanted to make sure they bred around 3 times (my advice to her) and the breeder told her "you don't need 3 times, you just need one time." My friend told the breeders she would just have to find someone else. It is COMPLETELY irresponsible to breed dogs without supervision. Why would someone hand over 600 cash to a breeding they have no clue was even conducted? Some females have a hard time with the breeding "tie." They can hurt themselves or the male by thrashing around and panicking. Someone needs to be there to calm the female down and to hold her still to keep her from jumping around. This really irritated me to hear this. If the owners want to be there for there female they have every right. Dog's dont care about privacy, if thats the case, watch from a window outside, but never just leave two bull terriers to mate without being supervised. One time might be fine, but to have much higher chances at least 3 times is recommended, Specially if the female hasnt been checked for ovulation and you don't know when shes going to ovulate. Knowing what days they bred better helps predict around the time labor is expected. Im so happy she followed my advice and found someone else with a male that told her that she can be present for the breeding and that she can bring her female by as often as she feels necessary. I would never breed 2 dogs together, not even my own without watching the dogs together at all times.
This video is a clear example of what can happen when someone doesnt help the female while breeding. They just let the female roll around and panic and the female can tear her vagina and hurt the male, which can cause a poor experience in breeding causing either the male or the female to be hesitant to want to breed again.
This video is a clear example of what can happen when someone doesnt help the female while breeding. They just let the female roll around and panic and the female can tear her vagina and hurt the male, which can cause a poor experience in breeding causing either the male or the female to be hesitant to want to breed again.
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This is common practice amongst the average “Backyard Breeders†who have little to no experience nor care in breeding properly. Sadly, this kind of breeding happens all the time. The video displayed here is actually showing two dogs breeding inappropriately and taking huge risks for both dogs. However, the breeder was surely proud to display the video as if it was done correctly. Had the female not have been ovulating in full heat with a more experienced male she who have not only rolled around on him but attacked him at the same time.
What of the things that amazes me to this day is when people talk about breeding their dogs and the first thing that comes to their mind is find a nice looking male vice looking for a bonafide stud dog. I’ve owned many gorgeous male bull terriers but unfortunately most did not have what it takes to be considered a good stud dog. For some dog breeds it really doesn’t make a difference but for the EBT it truly does. As an example, you can retain the perfect puppy from a litter for the sake of wishing to breed him as a stud dog in the future. How that dog is raised and socialized with other dogs and people makes a huge difference in him becoming an authentic stud dog vice a male dog with the capabilities to get a female pregnant.
About 5 years ago I retained a male red and white from a litter that I knew would produce some gorgeous puppies. I raised him to be a dog and started his service at 9 months of age. (AKC standards are 8 months of age for males). I started him early to ensure he’d be introduced to seasoned females who’d be easier to breed. The first two breedings with separate females were unproductive so I had a sperm count conducted on him and found that he had a very low sperm count. This is very popular within the EBT breed and with particular bloodlines it’s more prevalent than others. This particular blood line was from Lionhearts which at the time I knew to be not as productive as others bloodlines but they did produce some awesome dogs! To make a long story short the perfect male bull terrier I had hoped would have been the perfect stud dog was never going to be a bonafide stud. I loved him to death but his career as a stud ended at the age of 15 months with no litters under his belt after 3 different scheduled breedings. The underlining proof was the sperm count not the attempts. A friend of mine that met Tank wanted him very badly for show purposes up in Canada where she lived. She promised a life of love for him and I provided him to her. He received B.O.B. on his first show and was in CH within a year. Here’s a picture of him from a few years ago with the current owner/handler in Canada.
Here’s my advice for anyone reading this thread that is seeking stud service. Call AKC for a listing of proven studs and get their track records. If you don’t wish to conduct this homework through AKC than simply ask for this information from the breeder:
If the breeder can’t provide this data and you still wish to attempt a breeding with your dog than consider yourself being a part of the backyard breeding industry and chances are your female will be bred the same way displayed in the video Danielle provided. By the way, great video Danielle. It truly shows the unprofessionalism and lack of knowledge some people have with breeding. It actually scared me watching that video. Obviously by the look of the Bull Terriers I don’t think they cared about benefitting the standards of the breed in any way. That floppy eared “Stud†didn’t know whether to wrestle around with the female or mate with it. That was not a stud dog at all.
As described in my thread on “Testing for Ovulation†the aspect of leashing both dogs and supervising breeding is imperative. Leaving the dogs together to do as they please is the most dangerous and dumbest thing you could ever do.
Great subject Danielle.
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I had a friend who was breeding his male to a submissive female. The female was very friendly and very submissive. At times he was interested in breeding the bitch and other times he just bluntly went after her!! I have heard of aggressive males attacking females in season willing to breed but to see it first hand was horrible. I actually became very agitated with my friend and told him to stop breeding immediately and to never breed his dog again. He did get his male neutered. She would do nothing to the male and just take his abuse! So YOU ARE RIGHT even some STUD DOGS can be very bad!!! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON A MALE STUD DOG SHOULD BE ATTACKING A BITCH IN SEASON. Unless that male is defending himself that dog should not be a stud. I have even seen most stud dogs take plenty of bites from females and never retaliate.
I have seen some super aggressive females too. I've had people bring over bull terrier females to breed and I would send them home empty handed. I've had females knock over tables and chairs to try to attack the male, before the male even sniffs them, and to me, there is no reason a dog with that level of aggression should have puppies, and I wont contribute to it. Now some females are finicky, wont breed natural, and just simply can't handle it. But a female thats just out right out of her mind, no thanks, I'll pass.
I have a story about an aggressive female. A friend had a brindle bitch that was quiet large, his sister actually has a daughter from maximus from you! Haha. This female is a nutso! We introduced the dogs to each other about 3 times but she would never change through out her heat cycle. She absolutely could not handle bowzer standing on top of her or mounting her. She would go after him in such a serious manner. This is the first time I had EVER seen Bowzer HATE a female in season. She was bigger than him and he was having no part of it. He eventually ripped the muzzle we had on her right off! I told my friend sorry but I couldn't do it, Bowzer would just look at me with this face as if to say "NO IM NOT DOING IT!! I DONT LIKE HER!! TAKE ME HOME!" This pair just didn't get along, apparently she did fine with another male he tried, imagine if we just left them together for a week? We tried walking them together, we spent hours just trying to see if they needed time to get to know each other but some dogs are just not the right fit.
I agree the dogs in the video are not very attractive, a shame the bitch doesnt seem so bad, but the male just ruins it.
may be Monday or Tuesday before I give you a call. I understand you
value your privacy. Also, will you be able to have a copy of Tank's
Pedigree for us?"
The response from the Stud dogs owner...
"No i don't need the 650.00 that bad. My dog is a proven stud. They don't
need our supervision.My dog always gets the bitches pregnant. In order
to have 3 ties you would b at my house 24/7. this is not ok. I gave u a
break on the price. I guess you don't trust me. This is my home. I
don't allow people to hang around all day. And that's what it would take
for 3 ties. You only need 1 tie."
UNBELIEVABLE!!!
What an ASS. I'm shocked your friend even entertained this guy, especially when she was planning the mating without even seeing the pedigree of the so called "Stud."
Well it's a good lesson learned for her.
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I know how badly you'd like to tell them off and spread the word to others about them but sometimes it's better to simply let it go. You did the right thing.
"It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
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